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Old 12-07-2005, 02:48 PM
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

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Ouch! That hurts just to look....I think we have all been there though. I'm glad you didn't lose much in the mess. How frustrating!

The coat is coming along wonderfully....he'll get there. If that was his only complaint you are doing great since we all understand about working toward the lighter color. You'll get there...it will be well worth it too!


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oh, your poor pastels! I've come close to doing that a number of times. The dog is looking wonderful!
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

My latest progress pic.



I ended up reworking the body to try and simplify it. Ha! Sometimes you hit a block and no amount of painting, brushing off, re-painting and brushing off again will get you past it, simply because every mark you make is out of frustration. So, EIGHT HOURS of frustration later, I decided to put it aside till today ... and after a further three hours' work this afternoon, I think I'm finally where I need to be in order to start thinking about putting in my palest layer.

My fear is that the client will want me to rework the whole thing to lighten the fur even more (their dog was very, very pale). I think there will be a limit to what I can achieve in that respect. Besides the fact that I am used to creating strong contrasts in my paintings, I don't think the body area, which I've reworked so many times, will accept much more pastel. We'll see.

This is turning into THE single most stressful painting experience I've ever had!
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You've done an excellent job, this is turning out beautifully. It's just too bad it's been such a frustrating experience. Hang in there!
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

E-J, this is really lovely!!!
I am so hoping the client doesn't need it lighter because it's just beautiful as it is. With the lightest layer you're going to apply, it must be close to the client's expectations.
Great job!
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

E-J my golden Libby concurs with the opinion of others. She gave this picture a good look and tail wag. I wonder if it reminds her of her dearly departed brother Sam - it does look a bit like him. However, you'll appreciate the fact that both Libby and Sam are the darker carmel color with red/gold highlights!

Good job!

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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

E-J, you are doing a wonderful job on this and, in spite of all the frustrations you are feeling, it is coming together beautifully. I admire you very much for taking on commissions .... I don't think I could take the strain! And reading your posts here makes me surer than ever!

After all your ups and downs with it, and dropping your pastels to boot, you are now on the home stretch at last! It is really lovely work and well worth all the time and care you have put into it.
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This is a wonderful WIP and Iím sorry you have been so frustrated. The pastel catastrophe must have been just about the finial straw. Iím glad you have persevered on the Golden Retriever Iím sure you final layers will make it great for the owners. Even though their dog was lighter colored Golden, I think the heart and love really show in his eyes in your artwork and Iím certain they will adore him!
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E-J, this is really lovely!!!
I am so hoping the client doesn't need it lighter because it's just beautiful as it is. With the lightest layer you're going to apply, it must be close to the client's expectations.
Great job!
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

Oh EJ - what a mess you made of your pastels!

The Golden is coming along nicely though. He's quite handsome and you've definitely captured his look. When I've taken on commissions though I don't share progress with the client. That's why I give them the option to refuse the painting and it keeps them out of my way. You are the artist and if he didn't like your work he wouldn't have commissioned you. Get the client out of your head and just let the dog stay in your head. Don't mean to be preachy - you're a good pastelist EJ - now pick up those pastels and put in the finishing touches - the way YOU see it!
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Re: Golden retriever, WIP

EJ, how frustrating to have your pastels spill on the floor and a fussy client to boot.

Your pastel is superb! I'm sure your client will love it when it's finished.

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When I've taken on commissions though I don't share progress with the client. That's why I give them the option to refuse the painting and it keeps them out of my way. You are the artist and if he didn't like your work he wouldn't have commissioned you. Get the client out of your head and just let the dog stay in your head. Don't mean to be preachy - you're a good pastelist EJ - now pick up those pastels and put in the finishing touches - the way YOU see it!

Hello doe! This first experience with a client who's not also a friend is making me realise something about commissions: they have very little to do with creativity. What some people really want is the photo they never took.

My client will effectively have the option to refuse the painting because I didn't take a deposit, but with the amount of work that's going into this (and the fact that I don't have a regular income anymore) that would be a depressing outcome! Money, of course, being the other less-than-artistic motivation behind the painting ...

Where is the art in all of this?

Ah well. Let's just hope he likes it
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Yes, the commissioned piece is definitely different because you need to please the client but what I was saying is that the client will be pleased because he chose you, whose style already pleases him.

The commemorative dog portrait is a special keepsake and the art is in the way you've captured that particular dog and in the process. If you let the client in on the creative process though it can be disturbing. Once I had one where the client kept coming over to see how things were going and telling me constantly that this that and the other thing was wrong and he wanted her ear just so. It turned out to be the crappiest work I've ever done which is why I have the no meddling rule. Also, because I don't share my progress, other than telling them that everything is going along just fine, I do worry that they will be happy with what I've come up with. However, it adds an element of surprise and mystery to fly solo like this. Take in what they say and want and using your judgement, incorporate what makes sense to you. And what I'm telling you is that he won't refuse the painting. I've never had anyone refuse a painting. If you insist on giving him progress shots though, just remember that he doesn't know how to paint and you need to keep his comments out of your head and do what you know is best.

In the end it's rewarding to be paid! It gives you validation as an artist and there is nothing wrong with that. It's also very rewarding to turn over the finished product and see the reaction of the client.

I hope I'm being helpful and just don't want you to be discouraged - it's fun just a bit more stressful than painting for yourself.
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I hope I'm being helpful and just don't want you to be discouraged - it's fun just a bit more stressful than painting for yourself.

Very helpful, doe - thank you for your thoughtful post.
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Beautiful piece - you've really got the "golden look", love the eyes, and the colors works for me. Look forward to see this finished, it will be great!
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