WetCanvas
Home Member Services Content Areas Tools Info Center WC Partners Shop Help
Channels:
Search for:
in:

Welcome to the WetCanvas forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit our help center.

Go Back   WetCanvas > Explore Subjects > Portraiture
User Name
Password
Register Mark Forums Read

Salute to our Partners
WC! Sponsors

Our Sponsors
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 08:48 AM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

OBSERVE THE HEAD AS A SOLID FORM.Bottom of nose lines up with bottom of ear.Ear lies BETWEEN lines of EYEBROW&BOTTOM OF NOSE.To AID IN DETERMINING WIDTH, the CENTRAL AXIS(Vertical line up the middle of the head.).........AND, the horizontal line ,1/2 way down from top of skull, to bottom of chin.That is the eye-line, DIVIDES THE FACE INTO 4-QUADS, these 4-spaces, if you shift your way of seeing,CAN BECOME 4-"GRID" SPACES! CURVES, should be included, because the face curves.(Unless it is a straight on view.)--or profile for that matter.The profile with these metrics, is ridiculously easy.
Reply With Quote
  #32   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 09:18 AM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

using this "grid" seeing technique, in combination with your questions to yourself as you are OBSERVING the width of the sitter's head, to your sketch, are:" SQUARE?,TRIANGLE?,ROUND?,COMBO?--these questions are represented by the graphic in metric visual 2, that has a BOX W/EXCLAMATION MARK IN IT!the graphic IS THE SUBJECT.the ? mark below the box, stands for the questions.EXTRA BONUS!!! For those that still want more aces in the hole for this width issue, a word about "plumbing".If you feel the NEED to "call in the plumber"then you need to know how to do it correctly.IF THE CURVES THROW YOU OFF, YOU MUST REALIZE that plumbing will only work, if the lines ARE PARALLEL &TRUE TO YOUR TOP AND bottom,and SIDES OF YOUR WORK SURFACE, CANVAS, ILLUSTRATION BOARD,...ETC.Here IS A TECHNIQUE you wont find anywhere else. Have you seen those commercials for those little red-light devices that throw a light , that carpenters use for lines that are true?One could easily go to scottys, and the like, attach such a light to a gooseneck, attach that to your easel;and then position this little light above , and in front of your worksurface, and when you feel the need to call in the plumber, hit the switch, and PRESTO!, instant true vertical, or horizontal tiny beam on YOUR SIDE OF THE EASEL.YOU CAN THEN SkETCH OVER THE TRUE LINES, OR just quickly flip it on, use you brush, as a plumb line to your model...then compare the line that your brush, pastel stick, pencil, has bisected on the model....to your plumbing lights, then get your bearings, and switch off the light.IF THE SITTER says, " what was that little red light just now?" ---you say, "oh, it was just an artist light!---hold that pose!" " why was it red?"--now you have to get technical." Oh, its just an artist light to help me guage perspective." "oh.", you, "NOW HOLD THAT POSE!" always remain in control of the sitting.I think this method is more accurate, easy, and elegant-than pulling out a t-square.Which is what you would have to do, if you wanted true lines on your substrate to line up true with the top&bottom, or side to side of your substrate.

Last edited by TerryhLee : 04-26-2004 at 09:21 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #33   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 09:55 AM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

Now we have come to the red.the advanced techniques that you wont find anywhere else either.This first visual, is called" THE THIRD-EYE CONCEPTUAL TECHNIQUE." iT IS CONCEPTUAL, because it is a visualizing technique.Study it.what are we looking at? Its the 4-marks(or dots.)these 4-marks makes 3-equal spaces.this is represented by the 3-loops on the left.NOTE THE DOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CROSS-HAIRS.That dot, is the third eye.Visualize a cyclops! you know, like the one jason and the argonaughts fought!Why is this important?, because there is a SPACE OF ONE EYE IN BETWEEN THE EYES.Using this 3rd eye technique, HELPS YOU ESTIMATE THE CORNERS OF THE EYES.How?, well, i would be willing to wager money, that an artist of low-skill,....could judge the relative size of the IRIS! you know, that round part of the eye, that shows what colour your eye is?!If you can estimate that.......you can estimate the CORNERS OF THE EYES W/EASE! you can then, drop a line down from the corners to always locate the wings of the nose!!!, which, in turn, gives you the WIDTH OF THE BASE OF THE NOSE.Also, ONCE YOU HAVE THE CORNERS OF THE EYES,----Its EASY, to estimate the WIDTH OF THE EYES!-SEE HOW ALL THESE PROPS WORK TOGETHER, like a symphony?!Another technique to work in concert with third-eye, is the EYE-HINGE technique, this is a technique my instructor from long ago gave me.Imagine that the eye has a hinge attached to it.It could be a thumb tack.The eye then falls down.......and lands vertically true with the wings of the nose!The eye can then, "flip-flop"--across that horizontal nose line to find the bottom of the ear!Lastly, the next visual we will anaylize is the hand compass technique.(as far as the red, we are not finished yet, but we are close!)
Attached Images
   

Last edited by TerryhLee : 04-26-2004 at 09:58 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #34   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 10:01 AM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

eye-hinge
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #35   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 04:05 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

hand-compass technique: to explain this one, let me bring you back in time, to the day i noticed it.I was a teen-age art student.My art instructor was in his late 60's at the time.he was not my father, but he liked calling me "son", i called him sir.(I was raised to respect my elders.)He was starting a portrait, and i was to observe.He started, did something real quick with his hand......"whooooa!, back up their a minute sir!--stop the presses!" I said." What son?!" "what do you mean...what?!!!---you know what.What did you just do with your hand?!!!" he said," Oh shoot, son!, i'm just putt'n down my dots!" " yeah, yeah,....I know about the 4-dots....-( we were talking about the 4-marks you learned.)-......what i am asking, is what you just did w/your hand,your LEFT-HAND, to be precise." " Oh!, i just USED MY FINGERS , to quickly aid in delineating my dots." " And you never felt the need to show this TO ME???" " Oh , shoot son!, you know i dont hold back nuth'n from you!, my memory is starting to fail son!" " thats ok!, so then, we will call this the hand-compass technique!, hows that?!" " Yeah!, thats good son!, 'cause thats exactly what i am doing!, i am using my left hand like a compass in school, w/the pencil!, you see, i bend my wrist,....and---blah, blah!" he then went on a long winded treatment.The purpose of it is like davinci's illustration of the man facing the viewer, spread-eagled, w/the curves around the arms&legs, to SHOW THE LIMITATIONS OF THE BODY.Well, just like the arms&legs have limitations, THE HANDS have limitations........THAT CAN BE UTILIZED by the artist, FOR the artist.This limitation can be brought about with intention.The first hand shows the first 2-dots , for the highest hairline, and bottom of chin.The second hand shows that you will have to manipulate your hand to a smaller configuration, to fit inside the head.On this hand, Your pointing finger is extended, w/the middle finger curled in tightly.with the ring finger extended , like the pointing index finger.Your thumb, should then TIGHTEN AROUND the middle finger.you then, ROTATE, like a compass,to aid in placing your dots!(Marks should be placed on the outer-edges, of the ring&pointing finger.) It takes some practice, but you will get the hang of it.This method, w/the 4-dots,.....can quickly, ACCURATELY, establish 3-EQUAL SPACES.
Attached Images
 

Last edited by TerryhLee : 04-26-2004 at 04:09 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #36   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 04:56 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

Now we have travelled full circle.Believe me, there is enough knowledge on this thread......to make you a pro.final concluding thoughts, tips.On the "uni-sex' examples, it says, to remember to "draw through."so that you will understand what happens on the far side of the form,as well as the side you can see.The female type, says, The surest way to construct heads&LOCATE features, is by means of CONSTRUCTION LINES, "drawn through--to the other side." These metrics enable you to draw a solid head, well-proportioned.....in any position.IT ALSO GIVES CONVICTION OF FORM.what does this mean?, remember what i said at the beginning, about not being scared? Conviction of form, translates to this.CONFIDENCE, is what this treatment brings about.When you apply it.To aid those people that actually want to master this material,and go on to "black'-expert status, consider this next visual.It says,to STUDY, what happens to the GUIDLINES when a head is TILTED, sketch them on the shell of a HARD-BOILED EGG., and use that as your subject.TURN IT at different angles, to see how to locate the features on your drawings of the head in motion.A word on this, to those that want a more sturdy, egg, that lasts!--I have included another visual of a source where you can purchase one for a low price.HOWEVER, this model, does not have some of the advanced lines and dots you have learned, so if you get one...add the 3rd eye dot yourself with a red sharpy, or the like.When you get it, compare the lines to the metrics on this thread.The number is valid i believe, but the price may be 15 bucks, now, i am not sure on that.Even so, it is a small price to pay to practice with.(I have no affiliation w/this source by the way.)The purpose of it is evident,Measuring lines become CURVES, OR ELLIPSES as they RUN AROUND the solid form of the head.dont forget to add the 3rd eye!(This is my concept, not my instructor's.)FLEXIBLE ACCURATE FOUNDATIONS-When, you have learned to draw the features in correct relationship to each other-and the entire face-you will have learned the foundation for rendering convincing heads, AND W/OBSERVATION TO THE DEVIATIONS FROM THE NORM..........SPECIFIC PEOPLE.
Attached Images
   

Last edited by TerryhLee : 04-26-2004 at 05:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #37   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 05:14 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

sorry for that double image!this visual attached was meant to be in the above.This is a drawing on how people can make their own egg.I might as well use this opportunity for final advice:I remember one portrait i painted when i was into photo realism(One grows out of this , as one matures as an artist.)-I painted the lady as she looked.the first words out of her mouth was," I 'aint that fat!!!"---i live in the south.--What can you say to this? "ERrr, yes maam, you are!-can i have the balance of my fee now?" No thats not what i said!, i told her i would make the changes, and she liked the piece after that! Lesson learned......always show the person at their best.Think of yourself as having the power of"Artistic lipo-suction!" come on, women tend to go on diets alot.A year may pass- She loses the weight, and NOW, your art is ahead of it's time!
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #38   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 07:58 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

well thats it my friends, i enjoyed it, and i hope you find this thread helpful.--terry
Reply With Quote
  #39   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 08:26 PM
artistjan's Avatar
artistjan artistjan is offline
Enthusiast
Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,345
 
Hails from United Kingdom
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

Thank you Terry! I have already saved it ready to print out and absorb at my leisure.
__________________
Any resemblance between my portraits and anyone living or dead is a miracle.
-------------------------------------------------
Critiques of my work are ALWAYS welcome.
Reply With Quote
  #40   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-26-2004, 08:49 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

you are welcome artist jan!, by the way to the rest of you, i feel i need to clarify something some more: these are flexible.remember i said you can reverse the order.once you are comfortable, you can do it like i do, and let your fingers fly, do your thunk, thunk'n!, do your dots,now you are on #1, make your rough oval,w/neck(catch the gesture of the motion of the head.),now you are on 2,add your cross-hair lines,include curves if applicable,now you hop into 3,....and you start changing lines into features!, then you cruise on over into modifying(Dealingw/width)-before you know it, you are on 5!!!, and from thence into beauty!
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #41   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-27-2004, 01:00 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

Hello all!,I just found out today that that source is no longer in business.this is a shame.It only goes to show how FEW us Professional portrait artists their are.It ALSO SHOWS, that out of that highly specialized branch of the Arts....their are even FEWER of us, that have this specialised knowledge that you are now privy to.If this were not so, that source's business would be booming, and OTHER , copycat businesses would be there as well.Much of this, is do to the secretive nature of artists, in hiding valuable knowledge.I believe in protecting certain tradesecrets(Such as a unique style)---but this knowledge for life drawing&painting...should not be so guarded.Anyway!, to make up for my mistake w/the source....i have included two homemade methods for those that want a more stable model for practicing with.The first is a photo of a product that you can get from dick blick's catalog(The thick, full catalog-you will have to call them, and ask specifically for it.)-the item number is their for you to use.I am not a sculptor, but it seems to me, that w/this "idiot-proof!"-product, you dont have to be! It appears to have everything you would need to make your own sculpture of an egg out of your refrigerator.On the other example, is for the more cost conscious artist.On this sillyputty idea, the way I would do it if I were you....Is to 1.dump the sillyputty in the garbage of course!(Or give it to your kids!)-then, SUPER GLUE, the egg-seams,THEN QUICKLY!--SNAP BACK TOGETHER THE EGG.Then,I would go to the local hardware store, buy some cheap wood filler, and sandpaper(fine grade)-the nail filler, would be to fill in the seams of the silly putty egg, you super glued.(By the way, if you want WEIGHT, to the egg,before you super glue it, fill it with something.This could be plaster of paris, whatever-be creative!)-2)Use your sandpaper, to sand the nail putty down , so that you have a smooth egg.While you are at the sanding, go ahead and sand the whole egg a little.So as to prime it for painting.Then choose a white, bone white, etc, paint.......and paint it!I would use a spray paint in a can for this.Let it dry in the sun.Then,3)-buy a package at a craftsstore, of RUBBERBANDS of various sizes&thicknesses.Put these rubberbands on your egg.Adjust them using the lines, metrics on this thread.THEN, 4.)-For the women artists outthere, you can use your hairspray, to then spray the egg.Give it a heavy coat.(Men can use spray fixative)Let it dry.The purpose of spraying OVER THE RUBBER BANDS, is to leave yourself a guide when you remove the rubberbands.This guide can then easily, allow you to do perfect lines w/your sharpie, or whatever.As for the base, you can use a bottle cap of somesort, from around the home.This serves as a base for your little egg, and also represents the neck of the head.To get the sillyputty egg, just type in sillyputty on your search (google)-or go to your local toy store. P.s., a completely unrelated tip, women's hairspray , also makes for a good fixative for charcoal, and pencil drawings.
Attached Images
  

Last edited by TerryhLee : 04-27-2004 at 01:05 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #42   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-27-2004, 02:10 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

One other tip, on the bottle cap of somesort you choose, while you are at the hardware store, get a heavy washer of somekind.To give your base of the egg, a stable platform.you can then superglue this on the bottom of the cap, that is up-side down.
Reply With Quote
  #43   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-27-2004, 07:21 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

Hey everyone, i reviewed my work, and decided that one element needs further clarification.when you are doin' your "thunk, thunk'n!"(Doin' your dots.), this is best done on heads that are:front, side,...AND VERTICAL TRUE 3-QUARTER.When you are doing a head that is TILTED, or at artistic ANGLES,......USE THE 1-4 DOTS GOING UP FROM THE CHIN. On the vertically true poses, you can "thunk, thunk!--from top-to-bottom."This is why you need the flexibilty of this method.Many of D.Green's heads are distorted, because he does not take into consideration the head in motion.You must be proportionally correct in your heads.If you try to use STRAIGHT PLUMBING LINES, to the neglect of the ANGLE OF THE HEAD, the result will be distortion.Now the pro, can pull this off, and cover it up, but when i study some of the heads of well known artists, i can spot such blind spots.I would spare you such bad habits.
Reply With Quote
  #44   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-27-2004, 07:46 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

I think more is needed.Sanden&green,...are plumbing men,--"plumbers".Sanden is ahead of green in skill, because in addition to his plumbing, sanden applies WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED HERE.(But he dont know some of the stuff here.)Green does'nt take into account the head in motion.Angles.He has stated this.He does his method,....no matter the angle.End quote.He works from top, to bottom.No deviation.Sanden throws that central axis in there.This tells me who is ahead of whom in skill.I have attached a visual for you to illustrate some vital DO'S&DONT'S.tHE FIRST HEAD IS A DO.You already have the knowledge for this.The second is a DONT.iT ILLUSTRATES THE DISTORTION I MENTIONED, if you fall into poor habits.Well, thats all!---Terry
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #45   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-27-2004, 08:21 PM
TerryhLee's Avatar
TerryhLee TerryhLee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 222
 
Hails from United States
Re: Painting&Drawing from life...Props of the face.

One final thought for some that may be struggling to understand, Vertical poses are perfect for plumbing.On heads that are tilted however, you need to employ that plumbing method i mentioned.With a light, or t-square, w/true lines that go FROM TOP-TO BOTTOM, SIDE-TO-SIDE, of your substrate.To make a grid.Then do, your sighting, and work in a grid- like manner, w/the head that is tilted.To me, this method you have learned is superior to all that.why?, because it trains you for tilted heads.(This is why you need to make yourself an egg.)Also, the flexibility to be able to draw a head in motion,THEN-REPEAT-THEN,go from the bottom up, AFTER the gesture of the head is captured.And once you are trained for heads that are in angles, and the egg training is under your belt,This method has a built in way of seeing YOUR OWN GRID.This grid has the ellipses that takes into account the gesture of the head.
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:10 PM.


© 2014 F+W All rights reserved.