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    JamieWG
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        What are your favorite supports for egg tempera? Let’s create a reference thread for archival supports that members buy or make for this traditional medium. I know nothing about egg tempera, so I need all the info I can get!

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        spellbreaker
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            The best supports for egg tempera are wood or masonite, because egg tempera turns very hard, like stone, with time. If you put egg tempera over a canvas, the painting will crack in time with the movement or rolling of the canvas.

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            JamieWG
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                Spellbreaker, welcome to Wetcanvas, and thank you for your input! Can it also be used with canvas glued to wood or masonite? Can it be primed with either oil based gesso or acrylic primer, as if for oil painting?

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                #494512

                Probably any support which is archival for tempera would also be good for casein, since it gets brittle as it cures.

                Richard

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                #494502
                spellbreaker
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                    Thank you for your welcome. It can be used with canvas glued to wood or masonite, but it must be primed with traditional thin gesso, without any kind of oil. You can experiment it too with an acrylic primer, but my experience is that is not better result that the one with traditional thin gesso.

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                    deadsam
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                        I use masonite (no oil in it) and rabbit skin glue with marble chalk as a gesso heated up and painted and sanded, never had an issue with this.

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                        #494503
                        spellbreaker
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                            I use too rabbit skin glue or grenetina, with titanium oxide and calcium carbonate, is an exellent gesso for all techniques

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                            Grenetina? That’s a gelatine, isn’t it?

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                            #494504
                            spellbreaker
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                                Yes, It is. 70grms. of gelatine or rabbit skin glue hidrated in one liter of water 24 hours before heat it in order to disolve the gelatine. Then disolved and heated without letting it boil, add one portion of titanium oxide and revolve, then a portion of calcium carbonate and revolve, and on and on until it seems like comertial vynil painting for walls. Then put it on the wood or the masonite with a brush.

                                #494524
                                Starrpoint
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                                    Where would you get this rabbit glue and such? I have heard others talk of the rabbit skin glue and marble dust but have no Idea of where to get it.

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                                    2006-2007 Dick Blick Catalog p. 96 –

                                    Gamblin Rabbit Skin Glue, 1 lb. – $15.79.
                                    Fredrix Powdered Marble Dust, 4 lb. – $4.59.

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                                    richlll
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                                        I use masonite (no oil in it) and rabbit skin glue with marble chalk as a gesso heated up and painted and sanded, never had an issue with this.

                                        This is exactly right, btw, never use acrylic gesso with egg tempera.

                                        See:
                                        http://www.eggtempera.com/supports.html
                                        “Acrylic primer is considered not compatable with egg tempera.”

                                        RS Glue, french chalk and zinc or titanium white is a perfectly smooth and slightly velvety ground for egg tempera, I’ve also tempered 140+ lb. watercolor paper with alum and painted on it for some quick work.

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                                        …I’ve also tempered 140+ lb. watercolor paper with alum and painted on it for some quick work.

                                        Unless it’s a trade secret, how do you temper the paper with alum? Thanks.

                                        Richard

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                                        #494492
                                        richlll
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                                            Unless it’s a trade secret, how do you temper the paper with alum? Thanks.

                                            Richard

                                            Hi Richard: No secrets here, usually size made from hide glue is a 10% solution, for sizing paper use a 3% solution, for a quart of this add a 1/4 tsp. of alum, use the solution as a bath for the paper and hang on a clip to dry, I saturate the paper. If you get some buckling I would press it between a couple sheets of newsprint when it is still damp, not dripping but damp in that you can feel it is cool with the back of your hand. I am just getting into all of these old ways of doing things and have become obsessed with seeing what works.

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                                            Hi Richard: No secrets here, usually size made from hide glue is a 10% solution, for sizing paper use a 3% solution, for a quart of this add a 1/4 tsp. of alum, use the solution as a bath for the paper and hang on a clip to dry, I saturate the paper.

                                            Thanks, Rich! I’ll get the Massey book.

                                            Richard

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