WetCanvas
Home Member Services Content Areas Tools Info Center WC Partners Shop Help
Channels:
Search for:
in:

Welcome to the WetCanvas forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit our help center.

Go Back   WetCanvas > The Town Center > Café Guerbois
User Name
Password
Register Mark Forums Read

Salute to our Partners
WC! Sponsors

Our Sponsors
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #46   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-28-2018, 12:39 PM
Hairy wolf Hairy wolf is offline
A WetCanvas! Patron Saint
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,023
 
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Reply With Quote
  #47   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-28-2018, 01:00 PM
Hairy wolf Hairy wolf is offline
A WetCanvas! Patron Saint
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,023
 
Re: The recent painting that you like.



Another Adrian Ghenie
Reply With Quote
  #48   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-28-2018, 01:30 PM
stlukesguild's Avatar
stlukesguild stlukesguild is offline
A WC! Legend
A large urban setting in the Mid-West
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 11,484
 
Hails from United States
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Of course these artists all also sell in the 7 & 8 figure range:


-Chuck Close


-Gerhard Richter


-Gottfried Helnwein

I suspect a good many other polished realists are at or near the same price range, including most Pop Artists, and surely Andrew Wyeth... to say nothing of Ingres, Degas, Vermeer, Courbet, etc...

And this ignores the fact that the monetary value of a work of art says very little about its greater artistic value. It only speaks of the financial worth that a very small group of extremely wealthy collectors place upon art as luxury items. Jeff Koons and Damien Hirst rank among the highest priced artists, yet the “value” of their art is certainly debatable.

One might easily agree that Rembrandt, Turner, and Van Gogh are greater painters than the majority of the “Little Dutch Masters”, Constable, Reynolds, or Toulouse-Lautrec... but is this because the looser painterly painters are greater... more “expressive”... or is it merely an example of cherry-picking examples for comparison. What if we replace the “Little Dutch Masters”, Constable, Reynolds, and Toulouse-Lautrec with Vermeer, Durer, Velazquez, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Bernini, Raphael, Ingres, Degas, etc...?

Art has always been about more than technical ability... although a mastery of form and craftsmanship certainly impact how a work of art is perceived. Personally, I find the notion of “pouring ones soul” into a work of art to be absolute bunk (that may be a discussion in itself). A work of art may trigger an emotional response in the viewer... but these responses vary from viewer to viewer. The greatest works of art often strike me as the least likely to be limited to a single interpretation, but rather are open the diverse and often opposing points of view.

A good deal of the emotional response that many find in Rembrandt and Van Gogh have as much or more to do with the “tragic” narratives of the artists’ lives. It is intriguing how some of Van Gogh’s paintings... rendered in the most brilliant and saturated colors that one might interpret as joyful if painted by another artist, are interpreted as tragic and expressive of internal turmoil in light of the knowledge of Van Gogh’s biography.

A good deal of the feeling many find in art also owes more to the subject matter than to the actual art. As Rodger Scruton pointed out in the essay Brian posted: “sentimentality is like this – it redirects emotion from the object to the subject...” Cezanne’s apples, Morandi’s bottles, and the whole of Abstraction (among other works) would seem to argue that “meaning” or the value of a work of art lies far more in the form (and this would include craftsmanship and technical ability) or the HOW than in the subject... or the WHAT. Thus a painting of pretty flowers or a beautiful woman is beautiful, while Lucian Freud’s paintings of a less-than-attractive model must be bad painting.
__________________
Saintlukesguild-http://stlukesguild.tumblr.com/
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty—that is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know." - John Keats
"Modern art is what happens when painters stop looking at girls and persuade themselves that they have a better idea."- John Ciardi

Last edited by stlukesguild : 08-28-2018 at 01:42 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #49   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-28-2018, 03:02 PM
Dcam's Avatar
Dcam Dcam is offline
A WC! Legend
NorthWest NJ.
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 22,124
 
Hails from United States
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Can't believe I forgot:
Just got back from Chads Ford Pennsylvania and visited the Wyeth museum.....oh my goodness. What a feast:


Andrew Wyeth:





NC Wyeth:





Jamie Wyeth





Howard Pyle: fabulous illustrator


Reply With Quote
  #50   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-28-2018, 05:40 PM
snoball's Avatar
snoball snoball is offline
A WC! Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 33,706
 
Hails from United States
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Would love to see that Wyeth Museum! The favorite art book that I own is on the art of the Wyeths. Well I do enjoy my Bev Doolittle books too but for true art, I have to say the Wyeths.
__________________

I pressed the space bar but I'm still on earth!
My work on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #51   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-28-2018, 06:04 PM
Katie Black's Avatar
Katie Black Katie Black is offline
A Local Legend
Costa Rica
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 7,079
 
Hails from Costa Rica
Re: The recent painting that you like.

I would love to see it too. I particularly like the portrait by Jamie Wyeth.
__________________
Katie Black Fine Art


"Life is far too important to be taken seriously." - Oscar Wilde
Reply With Quote
  #52   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-28-2018, 09:56 PM
BlueRiderMan's Avatar
BlueRiderMan BlueRiderMan is offline
A WC! Legend
USA
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 17,944
 
Hails from United States
Re: The recent painting that you like.

The awesome work of William Wray



&



&



&




http://williamwray.com/bio/

https://whitehotmagazine.com/article...-painting/3759

~
__________________
Stop the Orange - Paint your pumpkin BLUE this year!
Reply With Quote
  #53   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 12:18 AM
brianvds's Avatar
brianvds brianvds is offline
A Local Legend
Pretoria
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 9,390
 
Hails from South Africa
Re: The recent painting that you like.

BlueRiderMan: Those are indeed very nice. They remind me a bit of the work of David FeBland, an artist I ran into on Instagram.

And then there is David Hockney, 150 years old and still going strong:


A closer winter tunnel, oil on 6 canvases 36 x 48 inches each



There's a documentary about him on YouTube, showing him doing these huge plein air paintings on multiple canvases. Actually looks like a lot of fun. At least until the wind starts blowing... :-)
__________________
__________________________
http://brianvds.blogspot.co.za/
Reply With Quote
  #54   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 06:56 AM
ianuk ianuk is offline
A WC! Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,835
 
Hails from England
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Katie Black
Wow, I didn't realise that this thread would turn into a bashing of abstract art...I wonder what it is about it that makes people so angry.

I don't see anyone angry and I don't see not liking certain abracts as abstract bashing. I like good abracts, I have owned many. I'm equally against any art that is pretty much mediocre whether it's abstract or any other genre. surely even good abstract artists find that bad abstract art only lowers the standard to abstract being a joke in many cases.
Reply With Quote
  #55   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 09:26 AM
stlukesguild's Avatar
stlukesguild stlukesguild is offline
A WC! Legend
A large urban setting in the Mid-West
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 11,484
 
Hails from United States
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Fair enough, Ian... although somehow I don’t see DeKooning or Guston as being mediocre or bad abstract painters.
__________________
Saintlukesguild-http://stlukesguild.tumblr.com/
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty—that is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know." - John Keats
"Modern art is what happens when painters stop looking at girls and persuade themselves that they have a better idea."- John Ciardi
Reply With Quote
  #56   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 09:30 AM
ianuk ianuk is offline
A WC! Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,835
 
Hails from England
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlukesguild
Fair enough, Ian... although somehow I don’t see DeKooning or Guston as being mediocre or bad abstract painters.

Help me out then, tell me what's good about their work?
Reply With Quote
  #57   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 10:07 AM
stlukesguild's Avatar
stlukesguild stlukesguild is offline
A WC! Legend
A large urban setting in the Mid-West
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 11,484
 
Hails from United States
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Ian, again I doubt any discussion of the development of Guston or DeKooning... or Abstract Expressionism... or formal analysis of what I see in the work... is likely to change anyone’s opinion who finds the paintings visually uninteresting or ugly.

Personally, I far prefer the Guston. DeKooning’s earlier paintings were far better in my opinion. The Guston painting seems to grow out of the lightest washes of color ala Bonnard toward an image that is almost blossoming. The limited palette makes for a lovely color harmony. The composition is inspired by the grid format of Mondrian... but Guston approaches this in a far more organic manner... not unlike Mondrian’s earlier pre-Abstract tree paintings. The work is free-form... intuitive... like jazz... or late Monet... without any representation of a literal landscape. Seen in person, the surfaces of the Guston paintings I have seen are both juicy... and glow.

And now back to the OP and recent paintings we like...
__________________
Saintlukesguild-http://stlukesguild.tumblr.com/
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty—that is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know." - John Keats
"Modern art is what happens when painters stop looking at girls and persuade themselves that they have a better idea."- John Ciardi
Reply With Quote
  #58   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 10:27 AM
stlukesguild's Avatar
stlukesguild stlukesguild is offline
A WC! Legend
A large urban setting in the Mid-West
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 11,484
 
Hails from United States
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Over the past month or so I have saved at least 500 images to my iPad. The vast majority of these have been photographs: figure studies, portraits, studies of hair and hands, fashion photographs, landscapes, architecture, patterns, and some random images I saved solely for the color. In all of that there are perhaps a couple dozen images of paintings... few being really recent discoveries.

But then there is Olivia Kemp. She is a young British artist (I can’t find an actual age or birthdate, but considering the dates of her formal studies I would guess she’s in her late 20s). Her medium of choice is not paint, but rather pen and ink. She creates large drawings of architecture in a landscape setting that are rooted in studies of real works of architecture and details from life studies of nature... but are fantasies or inventions. In a way, her drawings remind me of some children’s book illustrations or even the work of David Macaulay. She is an up-and-coming young artist, showing with several prominent London galleries including Saatchi, teaching at the Royal School of Drawing and currently exhibiting at Buckingham Palace.













She is an artist whose work I want to watch develop.

More of her work can be found on Instagram @livvykemp and at:

https://www.oliviakemp.co.uk/
__________________
Saintlukesguild-http://stlukesguild.tumblr.com/
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty—that is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know." - John Keats
"Modern art is what happens when painters stop looking at girls and persuade themselves that they have a better idea."- John Ciardi

Last edited by stlukesguild : 08-29-2018 at 10:31 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #59   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 10:48 AM
Katie Black's Avatar
Katie Black Katie Black is offline
A Local Legend
Costa Rica
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 7,079
 
Hails from Costa Rica
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianuk
I don't see anyone angry and I don't see not liking certain abracts as abstract bashing. I like good abracts, I have owned many. I'm equally against any art that is pretty much mediocre whether it's abstract or any other genre. surely even good abstract artists find that bad abstract art only lowers the standard to abstract being a joke in many cases.

I really wasn't just referring to your comment alone Ian.
__________________
Katie Black Fine Art


"Life is far too important to be taken seriously." - Oscar Wilde
Reply With Quote
  #60   Report Bad Post  
Old 08-29-2018, 10:51 AM
Katie Black's Avatar
Katie Black Katie Black is offline
A Local Legend
Costa Rica
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 7,079
 
Hails from Costa Rica
Re: The recent painting that you like.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlukesguild
Over the past month or so I have saved at least 500 images to my iPad. The vast majority of these have been photographs: figure studies, portraits, studies of hair and hands, fashion photographs, landscapes, architecture, patterns, and some random images I saved solely for the color. In all of that there are perhaps a couple dozen images of paintings... few being really recent discoveries.

But then there is Olivia Kemp. She is a young British artist (I can’t find an actual age or birthdate, but considering the dates of her formal studies I would guess she’s in her late 20s). Her medium of choice is not paint, but rather pen and ink. She creates large drawings of architecture in a landscape setting that are rooted in studies of real works of architecture and details from life studies of nature... but are fantasies or inventions. In a way, her drawings remind me of some children’s book illustrations or even the work of David Macaulay. She is an up-and-coming young artist, showing with several prominent London galleries including Saatchi, teaching at the Royal School of Drawing and currently exhibiting at Buckingham Palace.













She is an artist whose work I want to watch develop.

More of her work can be found on Instagram @livvykemp and at:

https://www.oliviakemp.co.uk/

Wow, I love her work, very different. Not many artists can say that they are exhibiting at Buckingham Palace. It looks like her future is secure in the art world.
__________________
Katie Black Fine Art


"Life is far too important to be taken seriously." - Oscar Wilde
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:37 PM.


© 2014 F+W All rights reserved.