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Old 01-20-2019, 11:35 AM
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Re: Can Drawing be Learned by Everyone?

tons of great advise, above, so i'll just pose a question that i didn't see mentioned yet ... ntl, do you use/recognize/take advantage of negative space when you're drawing/painting?

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Re: Can Drawing be Learned by Everyone?

Originally Posted by ntl
A recent thread here is titled, "CAN DRAWING BE TAUGHT?"

I've been struggling with drawing and painting. Especially these last few months. I was never a very good drawer. Even painting, I am slow, always have been, and it is really hard for me. I finally have a success here and there, but still, after all this time, all this work, it shouldn't be this hard, or take as long as it does...

Natural talent is wonderful but determination is more important than talent. You can do anything, if you have enough determination. Don't worry about how long it takes - that's completely beside the point. The outcome is all that counts. Most people I know consider me talented. They tell me so. I paint, play classical guitar, write stories, and do - myriad other things. Actually I don't have any talent. I'm a faker - they just don't know it. When I hear great guitarists, read great writing, see great paintings - I know my best is nothing compared with them. It's less than insignificant. But, when I dismiss that idea and just evaluate my work critically, well, ok it sucks. As you said, I have my successes here and there.

I never thought I had a smidgen of aptitude for artistic drawing or painting. Technical drawing, yes (as a draftsman years ago). But every time I tried to just do a drawing - a person, or a scene I had in mind - I'd wind up tearing up the paper.

Several months ago, I decided (despite my lack of aptitude) that I was going to do drawings and paintings. I've posted my stuff on the site. I'm 67 and never had an art lesson. I don't have the slightest idea of what I'm doing. But I'm loving it.

I'm not a real painter. I'm pretending. But a lot of people don't know that.
And if I pretend really really well, after some time, I won't know I'm pretending either.

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Old 01-26-2019, 08:42 PM
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Re: Can Drawing be Learned by Everyone?

La, negative space? Yes, but only now, so not really all along since I started this journey. Not as a "freehand" exercise, but of course when working on a Bargue plate, for instance, or transferring elements of a photo etc to a painting support.
I'm working on two oil paintings now. One I am measuring each element as carefully as I can, often more than once before placing marks. This is the first time I'm attempting this copy, it's pretty complicated for me. I get lost in marking, even as I work along. Negative space is very important here.

The elements in the other painting I measure after placing marks, more as a check to be sure things are somewhat accurately placed and sized. I am more aware of NS here, too, but this is the third time recently I am working on it. The others are smaller, about 6x8, this is 11x14. I hope to do it again, 16x20, and I will measure beforehand.

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When I tried a copy of this painting a few years ago, at the same size as the painting I have, 16x20, it was a disaster. I was not ready. I am getting there now.

I get some understanding of one element and work on that until another came into focus. Then I work on that as well as the other, adding more elements as I am ready. Seems to me now that I am working/more aware of NS, as well as size and shape, and atmospheric and linear perspectives.

And texture, and...

All of your responses have been helpful. Thanks!
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