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    indraneel
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        I just got a pair of rotring isographs (0.2mm and 0.3mm) for sketching on the go. The 0.3mm skips a lot on faster strokes. Is this normal? Is the 0.3 mm tube unable to supply ink quick enough? The 0.2 does not skip even with fast long strokes. I’m storing the pens nib up in a jar with water in it, so there is probably no dry ink in it. I also cleaned both with tap water as the instructions suggest.

        Another question: Is the 0.1mm too fragile? The 0.2 is holding up well and seems sturdy. Will I notice a difference between the 0.2 and 0.1 line width?

        I’m in India and Rotring probably does not have a warranty (the pens are less expensive though at about $7 each). Once inked, stores here do not have a return policy on these.

        The 01 sakura pigma micron (0.25mm) was not skipping till the ink started to run out in about a week. Simply cannot afford one each week. I’m used to dip nibs which rarely skip, but they’re cumbersome to use while travelling.

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        Cleaning, cleaning cleaning is the problem with Rotring pens. You need to use them daily to prevent drying up. Never had much success with 0.1 myself.

        Doug


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        #1195637
        indraneel
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            Thanks Doug. These are new so I’m using them a lot. Actually the skipping with the 0.3 started after the refilling. The first fill was uneventful, but I had only filled it halfway. It works fine if it’s vertical and not moving fast, but the 0.2 does not have the same problem. Also, these are Isographs, not rapidographs. Aren’t they supposed to be less problematic?

            #1195650
            Anonymous

                Yes I’m afraid these are very temperamental pens, this is absolutely what to expect time & time again. It doesn’t seem to matter if you try different makes of this type of design of pen they are all doomed to a short & problematic life.
                Alternative suggestion – Try the pilot gel pens which are permanent in their black ink ( not the brown ) & available in good sizes, the G4 has a 0.2 line & the O.25 (ball size) pen writes a line as fine as a hair although does have to be used gently on smooth paper.No fuss, no refilling,perhaps a little slow in drying time is only down side. Additionally you don’t have to hold them at an unnatural 90 degree angle to your page as with the technical pens.
                With the Pilot G2 series (retractable) the ink seems a bit drier & with the delicate touch you will have already developed from your dip pen experience you will find you can get some line variation from the one pen.The ink in both the above ranges of Pilot pens has a rich Indian ink like opaque blackness which is head & shoulders above the thin & weak looking fibre tips’ ink.
                I too used dip pens for years & after trying a lot of different alternative pens out these Pilots seem to be the best option for drawing , at first it was just for outside sketching but once I had the feel of them, it seemed so slow & cumbersome to go back to dip pens that I use a selection of line thicknesses of pilots for everything now.
                Obviously there are rare subject matters where the extreme variation of the thickness of line in a dip pen adds a lot to a drawing, say a figure drawing in outline or similar where I would have to get my dip pens out but I have found my style adapting to the new tools so completely that I hardly ever do !
                The greatest liberation is the flow of drawing is not interrupted at inopportune moments & also the overall time taken to complete a drawing must have been shortened by as much as a third !

                #1195638
                indraneel
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                    I could not find the G4 anywhere. Do you mean the G-Tec-C4? That seems to be not commonly available here :(

                    Maybe I should just invent a belt clip to hold India ink :confused: (and hope I don’t trip while sketching :eek: )

                    #1195651
                    Anonymous

                        Yes, I mean the G-Tec-C-4, Cultpens.com here in the UK ship worldwide & are an excellent company to deal with.
                        If however you insist on staining your trousers ! some determined dip pen diehards carry a bit of indian ink in one of those plastic film roll containers, in it is a piece of sponge (perhaps glued to the base) this is then super saturated with ink but not so much that can not be absorbed by the sponge.

                        #1195639
                        indraneel
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                            I’ll see if I can find the GTC4 locally, international shipping is extremely expensive for me.

                            I did try making a yatate once, did not work for the dip pens. An open ink bottle did work last week on the train though; everyone gave me a wide “berth” (not a pun!).

                            I wonder if the sakura microns can be refilled, either with rotring ink, or maybe with ink from pentel brush pen cartridges (I have some extra).

                            Maybe adding some soap/detergent (watercolor dispersant) will fix the rotring skipping issue..?

                            #1195649
                            rjanders003
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                                I use Rotrings all the time – bought new ones a year ago

                                They need to be stored horizontally when not in use – capped – they have a rubber insert in the cap that seals them and prevent ink from drying out. Cap up is not a good move.

                                A am assuming these are the newer versions as Rotrings have been around for a long time.

                                I am not sure you have to use them daily, that is not the case for me – but I would agree you need to get the ink flowing every now and then. I try to use mine at least once per week.

                                I use the 0.10 and 0.13 with no problems – The angle you use them at could be part of it – they are originally drafting pens that generally work more consistent upright. I get gap when I lean them over heavily, but I use this to great effect to get random strokes.

                                Rob

                                #1195640
                                indraneel
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                                    Thanks Rob! I’ll find a box to put them in, instead of a jar. Yes, these are new, and have the rubber in the cap. Drying out has not been a problem so far, both start immediately, everytime. But skipping has been a problem even when held vertical.

                                    Was reading Van Gogh’s letters and found this “But perhaps there would be more pen drawings in the world if somebody invented a good pen for use outdoors, with an inkstand to go with it.” http://www.webexhibits.org/vangogh/letter/11/195.htm

                                    #1195658
                                    Batman55
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                                        Yes, I mean the G-Tec-C-4, Cultpens.com here in the UK ship worldwide & are an excellent company to deal with.
                                        If however you insist on staining your trousers ! some determined dip pen diehards carry a bit of indian ink in one of those plastic film roll containers, in it is a piece of sponge (perhaps glued to the base) this is then super saturated with ink but not so much that can not be absorbed by the sponge.

                                        Have you ever tried the Uniball Signo (gel pen) series?

                                        I used to love the .38 black pen in this series, but switched to Microns/fiber-tipped pens because of the uniformity of tone and guaranteed archival ink. I actually had to adjust to this style, as prior to it, I had only ever used ballpoint pens. I still have some Uniballs left and will eventually use them up, waste not, want not.

                                        So you’re saying Pilot G2 has some pens as small .20mm, with rich blacks, and uniformity of tone?

                                        #1195652
                                        Anonymous

                                            Hi Indraneel, why not use the dip pens cousin a fountain pen ?
                                            There are some really inexpensive models that work just fine.

                                            #1195653
                                            Anonymous

                                                Hi Batman, yes some Pilots are finer than 0.2 line width.

                                                UNDERSTAND – that the decimal numbers on gel pens refer to the roller ball diameter & NOT their line width. Further complicating the matter is two different manufacturers 0.38 ball gives a different line width !

                                                Here are the Pilots with the Signo 0.38 for you to compare line width.

                                                Both the Pilots & the Signos are lightfast, the Signos are waterproof but the Pilots are not.
                                                The Signos have a steady line width regardless of how hard you press on, with the Pilots if the pressure of your touch is reduced to a “feathers stroke” & also depending on the speed of movement ,you can get varied thicknesses out of the pens, this is especially true of the G2 models.
                                                Very often the ability to taper a line can add great life & character to a drawing whereas one perfectly uniform thickness is dull & deadening to the life in a drawing, that’s why a lot of people still struggle on with dip pens despite the hassle.
                                                The Thinnest line pilot is very delicate & will only work OK on the smoothest Bristol board, actually to get the finest line out of any of these gel pens Bristol board is best.

                                                #1195663
                                                _Tomo_
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                                                    Both the Pilots & the Signos are lightfast

                                                    So is my Pilot G-TEC-C4 lighfast??? I would really like to know beacuse i adore this pen, but i thought it is not lighfast and bought sakura pigma. Do you have any official information ob the G-TEC-C4. I would really appreciate the answer.

                                                    Thanks

                                                    Tomaž

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                                                    #1195641
                                                    indraneel
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                                                        Hi Indraneel, why not use the dip pens cousin a fountain pen ?
                                                        There are some really inexpensive models that work just fine.

                                                        I have a bunch of fountain pens, but they are not fine enough, and cannot fill with waterproof ink. I tried getting around both but failed with the fountain pen.

                                                        I thought I didn’t like fine lines, till I found the Hunt 100. Takes a 10x loupe to see the crosshatch!

                                                        #1195654
                                                        Anonymous

                                                            Yes I love fine lines too, the Platinum U.EF. (ultra extra fine) nib is the finest you can buy anywhere without getting a specialist nib grinder to grind it. But you could take that 10x loupe & grind any dryish extra fine nib to give you a hair line as thin or even thinner than your beloved hunt 100, it takes a little practice though.
                                                            Alas waterproof ink for fountain pens is largely confined to the “platinum carbon ink ” option which is expensive & requires that you use the pen daily & wash it out regularly, although the latest platinum range have been developed to work with this ink & are guaranteed to do so without any problems.

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