Harry thank you for the kind words and the help, the suggestions.
* On the face of man, yes, now that you point it out to me, I’m noticing that I’ve stretched that part a little
With the copy of Mucha then I will go ahead with the shading (a little I took it for shadin, finished the posting)
Yes, Shading and lights is something I have to learn and understand better (even applying values, more values, etc.). To practice more, this year I am trying to pay more attention to the darkness.

Good weekend

so I came, I put 2 photos that I was undecided on a couple

looking at them now, the most obvious errors that will occur are what I seem to notice is the angle of the profile, the lost inclination

reference http://s3.amazonaws.com/wetcanvas-hdc/Community/images/24-Nov-2008/154293-2008-11-24_205406.jpg

I also did this from loomis,

and then this is always designed by CUong as the last head.

thanks for see
have a nice Sunday

hi ArtistOz I sincerely thank you for the answer and for further clarifications.
You’re right about Lutz Anatomy,
I’m sorry, I was quoting it thinking it was for anatomy (or that he had made other other books for it) but similar in part to Drawing made Easy even though I had leafed through it very little was mostly text.
Seen better, true.
In addition, Yes, I did book Bridgman, I had taken Constructive Anatomy and Heads, Features and Faces together in January, you’re right, I’m flipping through it now and it’s better, as well as looking more searchable even by structure (more images, it seems less dispersive noticing what says over text in lutz).
Thank you very much for explanations on bargue, su tone,. on envelope, on really.
looking for head construction to try to learn portraits, trying to loomis, I had seen that there was also Really ,, abstraction,
I had thought of trying with loomis and that I would have confused them anyway.

then I saw jeff watts’ youtube channel and he reported that Join Watts Atelier.
on my mind I was seeing this trying to understand the facial plans. on the forum or by looking at asaro I had discovered about this artist

another video on this this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5ZaK1XExE
I tried to get an idea, to understand what those lines were on the faces
but for the figure I had seen drawings, I believe in wetcavans, looking for posts on the various methods of drawing, of some artists or wandering around. but I had no idea what the lines used for the figures referred to. thanks for the explanation .
about the figure I don’t know if I’ll try Frank really.

(I thought of loomis, or I had taken hogart and brindgam or the same vanderpool (without being sure about a correct study of a book or what order to go there), to learn more about the figure, eventually take something, to improve and to practice myself)
regarding the construction methods I thought, I was thinking that I would be useful for a framework like scaffolding, something to start from and then to refine, maybe then to misuse because without I think I would go much further to a similarity that comes closer. or possibly by fantasy but in reality and above all I initially found less information on the academic design, on the observation, like in the references of the recommended books or in the way of measuring.
Searching on learning methods initially found above all I found on the first, on the construction, articles, explanations, advice on readings.

in the future I was back on construction because during an attempt I had been an hour for a few lines then wrong that I had measured badly, but it is not a house that I am sorry to measure (I thought that perhaps then I had to speed up making ugly drawings :))

While I read, found, google referred to some discussions on academic design (even as structures I had not made of the actual atelier, I only knew a couple of academicians, I thought above all the uni or dums) academic / view compared to construction drawing (cited brigman, loomis, vilppu, bammes).

Both are very fascinating, what worried me was that it was impossible to learn without attending a drawing class or direct instruction.

Key of draw helped me make a first idea, and wetcavans the forum even more. Your list (which I put on the desktop and on a quadernino where I had sketched two years ago, or I wanted to write a note on things to do (but I had only written, learn perspective and from key of draw, first the grits then the small one) , and I wanted to write time for things but I didn’t have it integrated. I added the list that) your list has definitely clarified so many doubts so I thank you very much.

both very fascinating and measuring is one of the things I don’t mind. as well as the line.

looking for information on bargue I had found an article here, I had not tried but sometimes I read some articles, I had read one on the mirror and now I have seen that they have added this that can help me then.

https://www.sightsize.com/cast-alternatives/

Curious, interesting what you say about fantasy design, even for the invented one, for fantasy genre,
I thought that construction methods were necessary for this.
But you’re right, you need things you say, knowing how to draw the figure, knowing the figure, knowing about anatomy .

Now that I read what you say, I think of the artist who worked in Tolkien’s illustration, the artist who practically creates worlds for books or for hobbit films, for Lord of Ring, John Howe maybe does as you say, me there you made me think, explore a lot, draw around live, explore the world to create new worlds (I’m not an expert, but when they showed that he had a pencil in his hand, he didn’t look like a comic artist’s approach, he never used construction ( even if it could make it to the mind)), 2 or 3 years ago I had seen a series with him, I had this in mind

This is the series (5 episodes of 25 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx9nV0Re0_0

I don’t know the title in English, I found the edition I know or the one in French. A la recherche du Hobbit. It will be a French production.

of bammes I had read here the first time, trying on artistic anatomy, informative articles or information tutorials I had found this, he quoted loomis, bammes, vilppu, they were more parts, in one there were them with a summary, example with part of what do .
, direct site where it was found, I searched for it now it doesn’t work anymore, here it refers

https://www.google.com/search?q=understanding+anatomy+_part_&rlz=1C1ASUM_enIT679IT679&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi89pCdu9HlAhUF26QKHaJDDAQQ_AUIEygC&biw=666&bih=515

and then at the book STRUTTURA UOMO
thank you for telling me about Bammes’ book, it makes me understand the goodness of this artist, why I would find him quoted.
I will remember it and then I would go back better (now I would try to follow Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters and some anatomy as books) now on man structure
the first 2 chapters talk about articular movements, the shapes of the muscles in the precise relations of the parts of the body, with a reconstruction and geometric relationships, application of a modular structure, I had not managed to memorize everything (or I soon forgot a part) and I thought I should do it better before to advance, even if on the forward side, they pass to the individual parts
images reminded me of those of bammes that I see because then writing about the book on google immage maybe came out with images of bammes, or link amazon with bammes.
Initially I thought it was an Italian version, or influenced or maybe it had nothing to do with it, I didn’t understand which of the 3, they write it during a diagram, during a drawing they say that that scheme is a reworking of Bammes’s proportional scheme in the book die gestalt, at the end some recommended authors and this book are included in the recommended books for further information.

yesterday I tried to draw a hand using a mirror,
it helped me a lot of position that you were saying (I’ll do it again trying to measure that in order not to lose position and shoulder I did little)
today little done, in any case I will continue to practice and I will do
then post together with the drawing of the hand that I want to photograph.

David, thank, thank you so much

ArtistOZ,
I sincerely thank you for all the information and clarifications. Dream means learning as much as possible in time to make good drawings and understand something because this world is something incredible, what it can do can be said to be a unique design (unique and multiple as there is classical art, cinema, comics, etc.), unique and fantastic, really, so I have great admiration for those who know how to do it, so for you, for the artists you mention. The various contaminations are fascinating, and you can probably find something or a lot in these artists Loomis, Reilly, Vilppu Watts, so for Bridgman, I think that trying as many things as possible and taking from everyone that that fits or we like. Bridgman, loomis and Hogarh (I sometimes wondered if I was drawing my hand if I could pick up the book on my hands trying to pick from there, either by copying the drawings if not recommended or by drawing a hand from life, or maybe Bridgaman was ok even immediately or better ), I wanted to use their books that I mentioned or others, I want to use you, not before I thought I had to wait to get back to the figure while now for Bridgman I thought I had to have more knowledge before going there to use it well. Anyway I think it can be good then to start immediately, to continue (as books for anatomy to be put side by side to the book of Hale) with Structure man and you know, I believe that I should put together the book of Civardi on the head, The human head. It was risfogliando today, there are various notions of what a book .And then after would be ideal so Bammes, what I meant, sorry. As I would therefore like to learn as much as possible from Bammes, VIlppu, Reilly. Or if instead in some cases one excludes the other then focus on Bammes, seize the best from villppu .etc. Thanks so much for the explanations and reports, I have now uploaded the site on Fred flixer that came out of me writing his name now, as material there is what you were saying, that I tried to look for https://www.wetcanvas.com/forums / show post. I knew about the Russian school, so much about the Russian tradition but just the artist you mentioned or even a couple of random drawings of artists who came out of there and I can only agree with you, which is incredible, I wanted to see a site, some images and maybe get to know something about this, do they study, writing on google Repin Institute found part of their program, or at least their online course, but I think, https://drawingacademy.com/drawing-lessons
Although in reality I believe that the points for drawing are those you told me and that there is so much to do and I think that following the great masters book is a great thing to learn many of the things you were saying, that is to pay attention to many things, and also not to get lost, that is to say I believe that there is an exceptional way to start going about the points you were saying (perhaps together with a book on anatomy, I believe that if possible it is important not to neglect anatomy, not to postpone it), perhaps then to integrate.
You are right about Propenko, I saw his channel, and I like it, there is so much, I thought to follow this directly 3, I had seen the site before youtube years ago, to follow, then I thought I’d go to pieces, on a certain topic , maybe all that free but at moments.
I like Popenko, very vilppu (as you say born by animation, in fact, the beauty, looking at drawings I think is that for realistic animation like the first cartoon of disney and Warner).
Looking for him I found the site I was saying, (his books then) https://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21669298&postcount=14
I mean, a few years ago, since I wanted to learn to draw the figure (90% of the time or at least I thought, I think that if one knows how to draw the human figure can really draw everything or almost), I thought I would learn to draw the figure, designing it, then looking for educational material about it, not drawing in general, then I thought that maybe I wanted to run without first knowing how to walk, so try something else first, basics, fundamentals, I didn’t draw any figures for at least a year or 2, I started now especially since I was on wetcavans and because otherwise I would have been up forever convinced of having to always get to another level or two others before redrawing a figure.
. ps: so I like many of the artists that you mentioned or made me discover (now you were talking, meeting me about the building but the Russian school was wonderful.), and so they have these common points, they are born from 2 incredible costumes and luck that Reilly is been handed down, that his work was not lost. It was a shame.

How beautiful it is that Bammes has therefore been imported for the internet and therefore it can be known a little everywhere.
. You’re right, conceptart if I write it and it’s wrong, too bad, I hope you come back,
I had registered 4 years ago but I had begun to draw a year later, but then I had lost my password but maybe the part had also changed to receive criticism, so practice
when I understood the answer to the security question or for new registration 6 or 7 months I didn’t happen to reconnect myself that I liked to publish on wetcavans and follow discussions, tutorials and I had marked several links on wetcavans to recover
over the years I had read some discussions about it, Wetcavas had not known it, seen before 14 months ago while I was hoping to find a site where I could see works but also a lot of material for learning and where I wanted to show the drawings, attempts I made, which I hadn’t done it and I did it to artists and I admire, it’s really incredible and the more I hoped (having no criticism is like being a twig blown by the wind)
Conceptart reminded me of an artist,
I had read some discussion and saved links in my favorites, especially on self-learning or not and on Hogart (which, however, I think I had read wrong) and then
the pages of, the sketchbook of mentler, dott bones.
however closing the post I wanted to tell you an important thing, thanks that already on the line it seems to me to have many more ideas, more clarity on convexity, or on the position, this helps me to look better (and reminds me that if the composition exists there is a reason and it also applies to a single object probably). sorry for all the time taken (I’ll be more careful and try to write better or be coincided, I’m sorry, really) but thank you very much.
Thanks, thanks to everyone, really