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Old 02-18-2017, 05:07 PM
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Thank you for all of the advice. I'm looking at all the suggestions.nStruggling find a reasonably priced aluminium board in the uk. Is foam board any good?
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Old 02-18-2017, 10:11 PM
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the aluminum panels prepared by manufactures are relatively new...they are light in weight, don't rust, warp, ozse out undesirable constituants, and are not that expensive....many moons ago, I had access to Industrial aluminum sheets and painted on them after cleaning the surface of any oil, other undesirable....the tubed acrylics worked fine...I like to spend my time 'painting' not gessoing, sanding, etc....besides I don't want to breath all that sanding stuff into my lungs but to each their own...whatever gets the job done...

So, can you paint directly on the aluminum panels, or do they need a ground?
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Re: Alternative to canvas?

These are available through Jackson's - primed and ready to paint:
https://www.jacksonsart.com/surface/...uminium-panels
You can get a small sample to try.

I really like Ampersand's smooth primed panels, too:
https://www.jacksonsart.com/ampersan...-artist-panels

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These are available through Jackson's - primed and ready to paint:
https://www.jacksonsart.com/surface/...uminium-panels
You can get a small sample to try.

I really like Ampersand's smooth primed panels, too:
https://www.jacksonsart.com/ampersan...-artist-panels

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Old 02-19-2017, 01:12 PM
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Are these ok?http://t.greatart.co.uk/dibond-aluminium-plate.html
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I use Yupo - a synthetic "paper" made of 100% polypropylene. It is super-super slick. You can paint directly on it with any medium, I like to gesso first and paint with acrylics. It comes in pads and sheets and rolls. I buy it by the 60"x 30 ft. roll. So I always have a supply of every size on hand. You will not find anything smoother The 60"x30 ft. roll costs $123. A 26"x 20 sheet $2.70
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Thank you everyone for the suggestions some really helpful info. There's lots of great choices here to play around with. I've never heard of Yupo before looks very interesting.
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That's very interesting never realised they could be used. Are they reasonably priced? Are they durable etc? Pros and cons? Thank you


I do not know why people think aluminum will be a good selection for the long run. Aluminum is one of the most reactive materials you can find around. In fact it is SO reactive that that is the reason it does not SEEM to get old, it oxidize a thin layer around it so fast( in fraction of seconds) that it gets completely covered by oxide instantly.

Aluminum will react and activate reactions on a LOT of pigments and paints you end up using just because when you paint you will scratch that surface that protects the Aluminum and leave the pure Aluminum in contact with the paint.

It is one of the last materials on earth I would lay an assortment of chemicals upon and expect no reaction to happen.
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If anyone is looking for something really cheap, I have used vinyl wall lining paper & cut it to whatever size I need.
The only problem with it is getting it really flat before painting.
Most DIY & decorating outlets sell it.
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Re: Alternative to canvas?

I agree fully with Tiago. Even salty environments are excessively corrosive to aluminum, like if you live near the coast. If you want a metallic/hard material that lasts use the same materials as in automotive industry, those have been tested and proven to last in adverse conditions.
Have anyone seen a car with Aluminum?
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I have just come across an interesting method of using watercolour paper with Acrylics. It might even work with Oils.
Check it out on YouTube by looking up "How to use Acrylics" by a well known British artist named Alan Owen.
It is a little way into the video but I certainly wouldn't have thought of it.
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I use Yupo - a synthetic "paper" made of 100% polypropylene. It is super-super slick. You can paint directly on it with any medium, I like to gesso first and paint with acrylics. It comes in pads and sheets and rolls. I buy it by the 60"x 30 ft. roll. So I always have a supply of every size on hand. You will not find anything smoother The 60"x30 ft. roll costs $123. A 26"x 20 sheet $2.70
I messaged a company that sells Yupo as they send a free sample out. I left my email and they got back in touch but said Yupo isnt suitable for acrylic?
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If anyone is looking for something really cheap, I have used vinyl wall lining paper & cut it to whatever size I need.
The only problem with it is getting it really flat before painting.
Most DIY & decorating outlets sell it.
Il look into it
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Re: Alternative to canvas?

Tried Yupo, had adhesion problems, probably caused by touching the surface.

If you're worried about aluminum, better not fly because it's the main airframe material.

Don't know why you wouldn't use hardboard. I've done peel tests with Liquitex gesso on unsanded hardboard with no adhesion problems.
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If you're worried about aluminum, better not fly because it's the main airframe material.
thats because of weight, aluminum is a very light weight material with very good stress resistance. In other words is very hard for the weight it has. That is why is employed in Aircraft structures. But they are not concern about the aluminum oxide barrier formed by oxidation of the material because it adds an additional protective layer and strength. Its really not the main concern if the paint job will last more than the 40 years life spam of the aircraft.
Also what they have are alloys mainly, so the material is not just aluminum, is a special mixture of different materials with aluminum such that gives the mechanical properties needed for the application.
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