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Old 07-20-2019, 08:49 AM
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This Kirchner is at the Tyssen as well. Fantastic simplicity!
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:00 AM
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Russian artists have never been considered top line. With few exceptions: Kandinsky, Malevich, Larionov, Goncharova.
Here is a piece by Mikhail Vrubel that goes “beyond”, at least for me:
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:03 AM
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Maybe this is a little better (or worse...):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon_Seated
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You misunderstand me: I love your work and Expressionism. I refer to your word BEYOND. As if moving FORWARD thru time to another style.
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Use to denote nudity/mature subject matter Re: A simple assertion: going BEYOND photorealism

I did my "honors thesis" in Art History in part on German Expressionist print. Heckel was a good painter...





His portrait of Fränzi as a Weimar Lolita is especially unsettling...



I've always been more enamored of his woodblock prints...









I saw a good number of Heckel's prints as part of an exhibition of works from the Robert Gore Rifkind Center for German Expressionist Studies in Los Angeles that had traveled to Sait Louis.

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Very cool Musket! It's nice when our work gets a home/collected somewhere where you know it's appreciated, well known or not. However, sometimes collectors like these can make an artist feel recognized. I can understand.

Do you have any pictures of those sculptures?

Thanks Arty.

The Martins, as mentioned in the article, just collected what they liked.

Two can be found here. I consider the gilded hawk head to be the best thing I ever did.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show....php?t=1445841

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314648

This one I never posted before. The bird is an African pygmy kingfisher, life size, around 3 1/2" from crown to tip of the tail. The column is kingwood; the base ebony. The bird sits upon a piece of desert ironwood collected by my late father. Like all pygmy and dwarf kingfishers, these birds live in semi-arid country and do not fish.




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Re: A simple assertion: going BEYOND photorealism

You misunderstand me: I love your work and Expressionism. I refer to your word BEYOND. As if moving FORWARD thru time to another style.

WC member, Chris (caldwell.brobeck) writes in one of his online sites:

"My primary influences have been the humanist artists from the Reformation and the Northern Renaissance through to the Expressionism of the early 20th Century; I find the general dehumanization of art from the First World War on to be uninteresting and somewhat depressing (although there are certainly exceptions)."

I might have written much the same... although I would name artists of the Italian Renaissance through the mid-20th century (WWII as opposed to WWI)) as well as the art of Persia and Japan as my primary influences.

What I find intriguing about the art of today (Post-Modernism?) is the fact that there is no single dominant direction or style. Rather, we have is artists picking and choosing from across the scope and span of art history as if from a smorgasbord. Building upon Pop Art or Abstract Expressionism or even Conceptual Art is no more or less Reactionary than building upon first-generation Expressionism, Impressionism, or even the Renaissance or ancient Greeks.
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You misunderstand me: I love your work and Expressionism. I refer to your word BEYOND. As if moving FORWARD thru time to another style.

WC member, Chris (caldwell.brobeck) writes in one of his online sites:

"My primary influences have been the humanist artists from the Reformation and the Northern Renaissance through to the Expressionism of the early 20th Century; I find the general dehumanization of art from the First World War on to be uninteresting and somewhat depressing (although there are certainly exceptions)."

I might have written much the same... although I would name artists of the Italian Renaissance through the mid-20th century (WWII as opposed to WWI)) as well as the art of Persia and Japan as my primary influences.

What I find intriguing about the art of today (Post-Modernism?) is the fact that there is no single dominant direction or style. Rather, we have is artists picking and choosing from across the scope and span of art history as if from a smorgasbord. Building upon Pop Art or Abstract Expressionism or even Conceptual Art is no more or less Reactionary than building upon first-generation Expressionism, Impressionism, or even the Renaissance or ancient Greeks.

Well said, St. Luke. I’m totally with you on this.
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Re: A simple assertion: going BEYOND photorealism

A link to the Guennol Lioness.

http://artdaily.com/news/22531/The-G...n#.XTMbAUd7n4Y
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After I had done a bunch of realistic birds, I started asking myself if this was really any different from building model kits of sailing ships, aircraft, and Big Daddy Roth hot rods in my bedroom when I was a kid.

So I moved away from strict realism into the gilded pieces. Also into realistic hummingbirds combined with sem-realistic elements, for example, opal eggs (I learned lapidary around a year before I started carving).

The work of the best contemporary bird carvers is so good that short of making them get up and fly, it can't get any better. It's an artistic dead end. I was never in that league so I concentrated on the expressive possibilities. Pygmy kingfishers really do look that droll.
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I had an extremely progressive and hip art teacher in high school. Ab-Ex was still big at the time so I did a bunch of that, non-representational, and some Expressionistic portraits, which unfortunately got lost. The Ab-Ex stuff I sold-- got $150 for one of them, a fair chunk of change in 1966. Big canvas, I threw paint at it and all. Lots of fun, but I don't think I could do anything like that anymore. I was only seventeen and had the bravado and lack of self consciousness of a teenager. Today I would be all agonized about it.
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Impressive work musket. Must take a lot of time and patience, and an eye. Each of those feathers? Wow.

Good discussion here. Beyond my pay grade, but I'll add my two cents anyway

As far as realism, I like some, like Daniel Sprick and David Lenz, and musket's work, but others like the hyper-real wedding photo stuff that hairy posted the link to above, no. Does nothing for me.

I do think that realism is somewhat constraining. Going beyond those boundaries frees up the artist to be more creative. For example, hairy's works are far more interesting to me than typical realistic portraiture.

That being said, I'm working on a realistic landscape. Luckily I'm not good enough to make it too real looking.
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Thanks, john. As mentioned, towards the end, before I got my lovely incurable auto-immune disease, I started getting away from all the detail. You do need an eye for that, but if you have one, steady hands and a lot of patience, the details are really just a matter of practicing your ass off. It's the expression that counted most for me.
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Beautiful work Musket. You amaze me. It's so meticulous and really spectacular. No wonder you have caught the eye of collectors all over.
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