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Old 07-19-2019, 05:02 PM
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Re: A simple assertion: going BEYOND photorealism

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Poor Charlotte...I never heard of her. Will check out her work.



Let me go ask Olive.

She said, “No more Big-Shot Rulers!” And then she pushed me out if the room. (Looks like she’s busy painting that on her protest sign for the upcoming revolution...)
You tell Olive to keep painting and to continue posting here in her unique style.
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I think that we sort of came to a general agreement in another thread, beyond too much philosophizing, that money is quite likely the best measure in establishing the true value for a collector of a work of art.

I think Barbara and Morton Mandel would fit comfortably in the category of wealthy art collectors.
What did they collect and why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U89GRU-wAo

There are also some collectors like Herb and Dorothy Vogel who collected with the income of the more average worker.
https://www.pbs.org/video/independen...y-video-extra/
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http://research.frick.org/directoryw...hp?-recid=6775

Three of my pieces, as mentioned, are in the collection of the Martin family. Only one is a carving of a realistically rendered bird.
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I love Barbara and Morton!
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Shortly after the outbreak of war in September 1939, Charlotte's grandmother also committed suicide.

Many people killed themselves during and after the war. Even people that didn't have mental health issues to begin with. Survivors especially lived with a lot of guilt. A couple survivors in my family did, but I can't say they didn't have mental health issues to start with because they are on my mom's side. My mom was first generation American and most of the family got out of Hungary just in time.
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...However, in comparison with photorealism masters (whose names I can not recall now, but Derek can help....) works of these two and others in this category sell for prices 10 or 20 times higher than super realistic pieces.
Why? Because their work goes far beyond showing off technical ability. It reaches certain places in the souls of viewers and potential buyers by means exaggeration, distortion, arbitrary coloring, interesting made up compositions. All of these things are very meaningful and are worth a lot of money to those who know how to fully relate to them and can afford to buy them.
specious, unsupported,confirmation biased.
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I did not know all this about her. I guess I should start reading that book I have about her instead of just looking at the pictures!

Wow, she poisoned her grandfather?! That's some payback.


I think you're the one who first introduced me to Charlotte Salomon. I found her work fascinating and had to read up on her.

Dad, a doctor, survived the war.

I gotta wonder if the grandmother didn't know of grandpa's "indiscretions" leading to her own suicide?

All I knew of Salomon was how beautiful her work was. She reminded me of Chagall. I found her in some book of Jewish artists somewhere. I knew she was killed by the Nazis at a young age and that she'd gone to live with her grandparents in France, I thought to escape the Nazis, but then they caught up with her. I also knew she studied art in Germany. Her father was wealthy and paid for her schooling. I know a little bit about the paintings--that they are on paper and that they are all part of one work, not necessarily separate paintings, although some may be. Most of them are part of something called "Life or Theater?"? Something along those lines, but sounds like you know more. I have a beautiful linen covered book of all her work. I have not read all the text in it, I admit.







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Old 07-20-2019, 01:45 AM
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Re: A simple assertion: going BEYOND photorealism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Salomon
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Old 07-20-2019, 01:49 AM
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I never heard of Charlotte, until now.
Being the son of a mother who survived the holocaust Charlotte’s unbelievably awful life really touched me.
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Old 07-20-2019, 06:23 AM
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These are more examples of “beyond”.
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it seems you mean a bit of regression......back to expressionism?
and this third one could be a Daumier.
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They certainly are Expressionism, Derek... German Expressionism... Die Brücke to be exact. The first painting is an early work by Erich Heckel, and the latter two by Emil Nolde.
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Re: A simple assertion: going BEYOND photorealism

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http://research.frick.org/directoryw...hp?-recid=6775

Three of my pieces, as mentioned, are in the collection of the Martin family. Only one is a carving of a realistically rendered bird.

Very cool Musket! It's nice when our work gets a home/collected somewhere where you know it's appreciated, well known or not. However, sometimes collectors like these can make an artist feel recognized. I can understand.

Do you have any pictures of those sculptures?
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Old 07-20-2019, 08:42 AM
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Derek, with all due respect imho it ain’t no regression. For me, ain’t nothing like expressionism. Sorry.... And the third one is not Daumier, it’s another Nolde. Imho, one of the best water colorists ever.
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Sorry for being repetitive, St. Luke....
That Hackel is at the Tyssen in Madrid. I stood in front of it for an hour or so!....
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