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    Shirl Parker
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        I’m starting this thread by incorporating the posts from another thread first:

        Hi My name is Chris and I’m thinking of experimenting again with WM oils. The paintings below are primarily wm w wm medium. These were posted previously in the oil forum. I’ve since tried using wm with walnut oil as it is easy on the allergies and basically odorless. (Straight linseed oil makes me a little nauseous.) Thinking of ordering a product called Zest It which is a citrus based thinner and requires no ventilation and is safe.
        Thanks for starting this sub forum!

        Let us know if you find a source in the U.S. So far, I haven’t.

        Hey Shirl. I just emailed Zest It directly to inquire about shipping abroad or if they know of any North American distributors. I’ll post their response once received.

        Hey Shirl and everyone. Zest It, a company that makes a citrus based thinner, responded to my inquiry.
        Here is the response:

        [COLOR=#000][FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif]”Hi Chris,

        Thanks for your email.

        Yes we ship to the United States, we ship all over the world. We offer a variety of shipping options as we know shipping costs can be expensive.

        If it helps, you can select US Dollar as the currency on our site, to give you an approximate price of the costs. It’s down the bottom of the right hand column.

        We are working at getting more worldwide distributors, we currently have Holland, Cyprus, France & Germany and soon to be South Africa – You can keep up to date by looking at our stockist list [URL]http://www.zest-it.com/stockist.htm[/URL]

        Hope this helps,
        do not hesitate if you have further questions,

        Kind regards,
        Tracey
        J&T Blackman

        Our Online J & T’s Art and Calligraphy eShop
        [URL=http://www.jandtblackman.ltd.uk]www.jandtblackman.ltd.uk[/URL]

        Zest-it Art Products Online
        [URL=http://www.zest-itartproducts.co.uk]www.zest-itartproducts.co.uk[/URL]

        Our other websites
        [URL=http://www.zest-it.com]www.zest-it.com[/URL]
        [URL=http://www.jacquiblackman.co.uk]www.jacquiblackman.co.uk[/URL]
        [URL=http://www.penandinkability.com]www.penandinkability.com[/URL]
        [URL=http://www.zest-it.biz]www.zest-it.biz[/URL]

        J and T Blackman Ltd t/a Zest-it is a company registered in England and Wales
        Company Number 4165160 Vat Reg. 770234839

        On 7 Aug 2009, at 04:03, Chris Vasil wrote:

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        > Hi. Do you ship to the United States? If no, do you have a supplier > in the US? I ‘ve encountered several painters with allergies and/or > inadaquate studio ventilation who are interested in trying Zest It > as a thinner. Thanks. Chris V.
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        Good work on the Zest-It [B]Chris[/B]. I’ve sent an email asking how to use the $ converter. Using my own converter, everything is about double the cost stated in pounds, when converted to US $. The cost of shipping is greater than the cost of the product in the smallest size so I’m going to order a larger size to be sure I don’t have to do it again soon…

        Chris, there may be another product worth looking into – Goo Gone, which is available in US at places like O’Reilly’s and AutoZone. I just checked my local O’Reilly’s and they have 8 oz bottle for $2.29. And this morning I ordered Zest It for more like $20.:eek:

        Thanks Shirl. Sorry you got creamed with the shipping charges. Is Goo Gone just for brush cleaning or do you think you can use it as a painting solvent like liquin or turps to paint thin initial washes? Thanks

        The shipping charges were not that bad, just in comparison to the cost of the product.

        Goo Gone is also a citrus product, used over in the Colored Pencil Forum as a solvent. We’ll see how it crosses over to wmoils.

        Can you use Goo-Gone in place of Zest-It as a blender?

        I’ve been reviewing all the info on Zest-It and have contemplated ordering it. If Goo-Gone works just as effectively for blending, it would save a ton of money (and time) using it instead.

        Please let me know if I understood this.

        Shirl
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        #1122881
        Shirl Parker
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            Since all those posts were made, I have received my shipment of Zest-It, very promptly, in spite of coming in the mail from the UK. I haven’t used it yet, but I will try it soon. I also purchased a small bottle of Goo Gone, and will experiment with that.

            Shirl
            http://picasaweb.google.com/shirlrparker/myart
            “Try to be as nice a person as your dog thinks you are.” - The Puppy Zone

            #1122870

            I’m not familiar with Zest-It, although I’ve heard of it before. From what I’ve heard these solvents are stronger than turpentine and dry more slowly. I was reading about this Citrus Solvent recently which is a US product and sounds similar. I’d be curious how well it cleans out of brushes.

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            #1122878
            couturej
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                Shirl, thank you for starting this thread. I was really interested in the information on the Zest-It and Goo Gone. Looking forward to hearing the results of you experiment.

                #1122882
                Shirl Parker
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                    David, I read the link to Citrus Solvent and my first guess would be that all three products (CS, Zest-It, and Goo Gone) would have similar characteristics, all being derived from orange peel. Zest-It is the only one that’s primarily promoted as a blending medium for artists’ paint, but that may not mean anything other than that the developers of the other two didn’t see that as a use or just saw more money coming from areas where the quantity used would be greater.

                    Shirl
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                    “Try to be as nice a person as your dog thinks you are.” - The Puppy Zone

                    #1122871

                    According to their site Zest-it is mostly made from orange peel which means d-limonene content. From what I’ve read this has low overall toxicity and minimal hazards. Their site describes general handling care which sound reasonable, but I’m still not certain how well I’d like to use it for painting purposes. Cleaning maybe.

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                    #1122883
                    Shirl Parker
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                        Yes, and it will also repel fleas, as that is the main active ingredient in flea shampoo :evil: :evil:

                        Shirl
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                        “Try to be as nice a person as your dog thinks you are.” - The Puppy Zone

                        #1122876
                        dcorc
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                            According to their site [URL=http://www.zest-it.com/zestitin.htm]Zest-it is mostly made from orange peel [/URL]which means d-limonene content. From what I’ve read this has low overall toxicity and minimal hazards. Their site describes general handling care which sound reasonable, but I’m still not certain how well I’d like to use it for painting purposes. Cleaning maybe.

                            From the Zest-it website:

                            So it is diluted with a non-ozone depleting hydrocarbon type solvent, that is non-toxic, non-flammable and with a low vapour pressure.

                            Well, we’ve been here before, and those with sufficient interest might care to do a search for old threads. ;)

                            #1122872

                            I would strongly recommend searching anyway, but please do so beyond WetCanvas threads.

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                            #1122879
                            couturej
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                                Shirl, have you had a chance to experiment with the Goo Gone yet?

                                #1122884
                                Shirl Parker
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                                    No, I haven’t tried the Goo Gone yet, but I’ve used the Zest-It, and I’m lovin’ it. Just the tiniest drop helps those sometimes thick coming out of the tube Artisans to flow much smoother. I’ll test the GG later today so I can give you a report.

                                    Shirl
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                                    “Try to be as nice a person as your dog thinks you are.” - The Puppy Zone

                                    #1122880
                                    couturej
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                                        Glad to hear the Zest-It works well. Looking forward to your report on the GG. Thanks for keeping us posted. :)

                                        #1122873

                                        There’s another company called Eco House that sells similar products to Zest-It. Their based in Canada but sell in the US also.

                                        One of the things I noticed is they both carry damar varnishes made with citrus terpene. This point came up recently in another thread regarding why use water soluble oils if you have to varnish with spirit based varnishes (the reason why I’m bumping this thread again.) This MAY be an alternative to those who are wanting to avoid turpentine; although citrus terpene has the same sort of skin sensitivity, hazards, and ventilation issues. It also dries more slowly.

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                                        #1122885
                                        Shirl Parker
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                                            I used the Goo Gone to remove some sticky stuff from the top of my table, and decided it was too aromatic/stinky to use for painting.

                                            Shirl
                                            http://picasaweb.google.com/shirlrparker/myart
                                            “Try to be as nice a person as your dog thinks you are.” - The Puppy Zone

                                            #1122874

                                            According to the MSDS Goo Gone contains distillates of petroleum, glycol, and Citrus extracts and who knows what else. It’s not really sold as a medium but for cleaning.

                                            Weber also has a citrus based product called Turpenoid Natural[/URL]. From what I’ve seen and read it’s not something I’d want to mix with my paint. There are many threads at WC about it.

                                            From that link it reads: “Turpenoid Natural makes all oil colours water-soluble. Simply add a few drops to the colour on the palette. Almost magically, you can now thin with water. You no longer need thinners with inflammable heavy vapours. When used as a medium without adding water, it has a retarding effect.”

                                            This statement makes no sense. Why would I want to dilute my paint with this thinner and then even more with water? If I want my paint that thin I won’t use oils. Also, citrus terpene is not naturally water soluble, so they must be using additives to make it so. “Retarding effect” means slower drying than other solvents.

                                            The Zest-It and Eco House mediums and varnishes do sound intriguing to me and warrant some investigation.

                                            David Blaine Clemons
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