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Old 08-09-2019, 04:50 AM
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Re: Derwent Lightfast

Antonin -- guess I didn't make myself clear. And no - not too blunt at all.

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{What's it matter if the pencil (or oil paint) is named Kingfisher blue or Cerulean Blue? Those are both nonsense, made-up marketing names. If you want to know what pigments are in the pencils, it's in the manufacturer's brochure:]

I agree -- the name doesn't matter - IF you know the pigment number or numbers-which, are almost always printed on tubes of artist grade paint -- don't have to go to the manufacturer or an internet search. And, though I don't do it often -- and probably most CPers don't either-- what about when you fuse color pencils -- shave the bits of a couple of colors off to meld them with either OMS or water -- or some other solvent? And, for example, if I'm new to CP and come from, say, the watercolor world and have fallen in love with my set of 12 pencils--but my favorite color is not among them -- I order Yellow Ochre only to find out I already have it, under another name --

And, again-- if I want, say, yellow ochre and order yellow ochre and the color pencil maker uses pigment numbers then I know I will at least get a close approximation to the look of yellow ochre -- "* A few paint brands use mixtures of PY42 and PY 43, but since they are essentially the same chemically, it's virtually a single pigment. This type of mixture is usually done to get a more consistent color from tube to tube, as the natural product can vary batch to batch." [url="http://www.artiscreation.com/yellow.html#.XU0lpCZ7mUk[/URL]

Also, in the case of ochres -- the hue can vary depending on where the ochre came from--Italy, Morocco, France. (BTW, I think the most interesting/useful book on artitist's paints is Hilary Page's Guide to Watercolor Paints. And for even more on colors and paint --

Finally -- If I have been using Prismacolor or some other brand and want to switch to, say, Derwent, I would like to be able to get my same favorite colors in the new brand -- of course many won't be an exact match, but if I can match pigment numbers -- I'll have a better chance to be at least close.

Anyway - sorry to go on -- but for me pigment stuff is a rabbit hole and I 'm without a watch!

And imitating the best of the paint makers would not hurt the CP world's reputation at all. And, I for one would really appreciate it.

Cheers, Clair
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Re: Derwent Lightfast

Just thought I'd let you all know that all 100 Lightfast colours are now available to buy in UK.

The full 100 set is available in a wooden box (currently on pre-order at cultpens but due in soon), plus all colours are available open stock.

For those who already have the 72 set and just want the new final 28 colours, Cultpens have a time-saving one-click bundle, so you don't need to click individually on each colour.

I'm on a budget so I'll be continuing to collect a few each month. I'm nearly at the halfway point now, I have about 45 so far. Maybe I'll complete my set by the end of 2020!
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Thank you Claudia! That is good to know!
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Re: Derwent Lightfast

Claudia: patiently waiting for the 2nd set of 36 here in USA.
I need the NEW colors only.....I'm getting impatient and don't want to order all the way from UK. I have enough trouble here with UPS and Fedex.
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:29 AM
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Re: Derwent Lightfast

Are there any light blues, light pinks and pale mauves in the full 100 set. Frankly Im not overly in love with the Derwent LF, I still much prefer my Faber-Castells, luminance and Pablos but so many artist seem to be pumping those Derwents !
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Are there any light blues, light pinks and pale mauves in the full 100 set. Frankly Im not overly in love with the Derwent LF, I still much prefer my Faber-Castells, luminance and Pablos but so many artist seem to be pumping those Derwents !

There's none of those colours which are ONLY in the 100 set (according to the colour chart - I don't have the 100 set so I'm going by the chart.)

I'm not wildly in love with them either - they are too soft and opaque to be a main set for me (my FC Polychromos are still by far my favourite main set) but there are some colours I really like, so I'm glad of those as add-ons.

Also, for me it's comparative. I really dislike Derwent's other dry pencil ranges (Artists, Studio, Coloursoft, Drawing, Procolour - I can't stand any of them! Either rock hard or dry & dusty) so I'm just glad Derwent have finally come up with a pencil range I don't hate!

I think the popularity among professional artists is just due to the full lightfastness. There's not much choice/competition in that category - only Luminance.
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Claudia my thoughts exactly, not all of the new lightfast are a LF1 and it was pointed out to Derwent by an artist here in Australia that some had been marked incorrectly on their chart. I think thats been corrected now. This lady only works with LF 1 or equivalent in other brands so was very disappointed when she saw lots of LF 2 in the 2nd set.... still as you say its always nice to have more choices....
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:18 PM
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Claudia: patiently waiting for the 2nd set of 36 here in USA.
I need the NEW colors only.....I'm getting impatient and don't want to order all the way from UK. I have enough trouble here with UPS and Fedex.

Hello, you will find if you order from cultpens that your order over 70pds ( checkwebsite) is free. Depending on exchange rate could be less money . Shipping is more efficient than blicks. Received mine in six days
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Old 09-15-2019, 05:28 AM
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Re: Derwent Lightfast

Claudia, et. al. --


I have ordered the the LF pencil after I heard someone on youtube ( I think) talk about its coverage -- so far I've not had much luck with anyone's white. And blenders -- grrr!! only one that works for me is the Caran d'ache blender that comes with the Luminance pencils -- I prefer working with a light touch and the other blenders don't do much at all so I've been using tortillons which work wonderully, but so does this blender!



Our comments here make it obvious why we have so many choices!! I happen to love the Derwent Artists WC pencils -- though 90% of the time I use them, I use them dry.


For me, they and the Pablos are quite similar in handling.
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I must say I agree with Dcam the one pencils thats really top of the class is their LF 1 white I think its even better than the Luminance and thats saying something .....
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