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Old 05-05-2019, 09:49 AM
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How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

I would like to find ways to make the sfumato much better.

Do you know what pigment and layers I need to have flying shadow on the skin and can see around behind the face effect from Da Vinci?
Flying shadow in skin will work with very low white over dark I heared.
But the effect that allowed to see right or left behind the person is very strange.
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Re: How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

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I would like to find ways to make the sfumato much better.

Do you know what pigment and layers I need to have flying shadow on the skin and can see around behind the face effect from Da Vinci?
Flying shadow in skin will work with very low white over dark I heared.
But the effect that allowed to see right or left behind the person is very strange.

I have studied DaVinci's methods a bit, and while his sfumato passages are quite well known, I do not know of any effect that he was believed to have created that would allow the viewer to see behind the subject. That would be a total mystery to me.

His sfumato effects can be achieved by stippling the area in question, or by very careful blending with small, soft brushes.
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Re: How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

Da Vinci used a method that is like "shallow depth of field" of a modern camera lens.

If you go to a professional photographer, for a head-and-shoulders portrait, you will sit approximately 2 to 3 meters from the camera. The lens will be approximately 100mm equivalent. The depth of field will be adjusted, so that your cheeks are in focus. But the tip of your nose may be slightly out of focus. Your ears, and the outline of your hair, will be slightly out of focus.

This is what Leonardo did, in paint.

So: The important areas of the face are painted with high precision. Other areas are painted with less precision. That is, the other areas are not sharp. You do not need to use paint layers. It is not a matter of colors. Instead, you use not-sharp brush strokes.

Renoir, and some other Impressionists, also did this. The faces of important people would be carefully painted. But their clothing, the background, and unimportant people would be "impressionist."
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Re: How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

This is a step by step re-creation of what researchers think might be Davinci's methods for the Mona Lisa:

https://journals.openedition.org/cer...828#tocfrom2n2

Perhaps you have read this already, but just in case, I'll share it again. Perhaps there's something in the steps that will prove inspiring for you... cheers!
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Re: How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

Clarification: My earlier comment was a guess, as to what "see right or left behind the person" might mean. I was not discussing sfumato.
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Re: How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

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Da Vinci used a method that is like "shallow depth of field" of a modern camera lens.

If you go to a professional photographer, for a head-and-shoulders portrait, you will sit approximately 2 to 3 meters from the camera. The lens will be approximately 100mm equivalent. The depth of field will be adjusted, so that your cheeks are in focus. But the tip of your nose may be slightly out of focus. Your ears, and the outline of your hair, will be slightly out of focus.

This is what Leonardo did, in paint.

So: The important areas of the face are painted with high precision. Other areas are painted with less precision. That is, the other areas are not sharp. You do not need to use paint layers. It is not a matter of colors. Instead, you use not-sharp brush strokes.

Renoir, and some other Impressionists, also did this. The faces of important people would be carefully painted. But their clothing, the background, and unimportant people would be "impressionist."




In other words..he exagerated the focus limitations of our own optical devices (eyes) so that we feel we are looking at something with much more depth (since we would in real life start to see these limitations only on subjects with more depth than a couple of cm).


It is always so interesting how great art is not about doing things"Right"as so many beleive when they start in art.. it is about doing select things wrong in a specific way to influence the viewer.
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:43 AM
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Re: How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

Hi,

It can be special pigments or oil used for some effects. Nobody know this.
Or a oil that do not dry to reflect more lights can be a way. When I used a very thin linseed oil layer on the background and the oil is not dry than (reflect) it can be happens. But when it drys, then removed it.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:19 AM
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Re: How it work, see around behind person effect on Da Vinci?

I am looking for a mona lisa video, that is the perspective from left to right or other, to see this effects. All videos that I am found is in front of and back.
Found anybody a good video or documentations about this?
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