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Re: Basic 101: Class 8 - Light and Shade

Awesome advice, Arnoud. I appreciate the time you took to really break it down to the details. I see what you mean about the reflected light and the contrast and detail in the foreground. I really thought I went for it with the darks too. I must be having trouble really getting the layers to build to a real dark. Maybe more than one pencil would help too - hahaha. Not making excuses or anything, but I think my scanner didn't help me out too much with the darks either - the original does not look quite as "gray" and hazy. I will keep my nose to the grind and do better next time. I will work on this and repost. I'm about to go on a business trip, so it may be a while until I get the improvements up.

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I think my scanner didn't help me out too much with the darks either - the original does not look quite as "gray" and hazy
There are useful tips in this thread Post-production tips: make art look good online!
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I really worked on getting it dark but is still looks light compared to the picture. I scanned it at work and boy did it come out clear! I took your advise and bought a small tripod for my camera so I can send my work from home. Anyway here goes.....

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OK - I deepened the darks on these and added shadows to the shapes. My scanner is still not "representing" as far as I am concerned. The originals do look better. Maybe I should photograph them instead of scanning. Any comments / critiques are welcome and encouraged. Thanks.
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Laurie -
The forms are good, but the general impression is too light. It is not so much that your darkest tones are too light, but there are not enough mid tones. Just one illustration: the crevices in the bark are drawn only in black, as if they were holes, whereas they are really a kind of valley.



Useful hints how to achieve the bark texture can be found in posts #244 (p. 17, text) and #367 (p. 25, picture)

You geo forms are very good, just remember push the darks

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Very much improved .
Neither scanning nor photographing represent your work faithfully, albeit in a different way . With a bit of experience, "post-processing" can help a lot.
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Hello Arnoud,
First of all I want to thank you for all your help . I must say I found the tree difficult, (I think you'll ask me to do it again) and frankly speaking, rather boring. It was quite a challenge. This time I tried Cretacolour Monolith woodless graphite pencils, 2B, 4B and 8B. This was a good discovery. Since they are woodless, they can be used to cover larger areas quickly when laid flat and used for shading.
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Samira -
You may feel a bit fed up, but your tree is really good . Graphite is a slow medium for realistic drawing, one should only attempt it on subjects that look really interesting. In the next classes, you are free to choose your reference yourself.
There is still one general remark - you guess already? - push the darks .
An overall gray impression does not make an interesting picture, look at prize-winning B&W photographs. More contrast in the trunk and the near branches would give more depth.



Even on textured paper, you can obtain good darks:



A question about the geo forms: what does the shading under the forms meant to depict?
Now, you definitely don't have to redraw the tree. Just add a bit of contrast, and - the last bit of the assignment - a personal note .
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Ok, I darkened it. This is very difficult to do I used my #7HB and it seemed to darken pretty well. You would not guess how layers there are...
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Laurie -
Well done .
I think this was a very useful exercise. Now you know how to achieve good darks. Even when light tones dominate, an interesting drawing will have some accents with a nice contrasting dark.
Move on to a next class .
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Your a hard task-master, Arnoud Along with the frustration there is a great sense of accomplishment also. I appreciate the time you invest in helping us (beginners) understand what it is to see the whole picture. Thank you..
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Hello Arnoud, I tried 'going darker', and to tell you the truth, it is actually a 'fear of the dark'. I guess it will ease out wth more and more practice. I added a scarf to the tree. About the geo forms : I had placed some wooden blocks on my shiny dining table, with light coming in from the window behind them. The shading was infact the shadows (which looked more like reflections due to the polished surface). Do I need to redo them?
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Samira -
I see you tried very hard. But don't be afraid to "push the darks". I understand you don't want to make the whole drawing darker. Indeed, the aim is not to go from an overall gray picture to an overall dark gray one. The aim is to enhance the contrast, to selectively apply dark accents. Looking at your last drawing, the light parts are definitely dark enough, some might be even a tad lighter. But look how there are more contrasts in the reference.




I thought to see reflections, I asked to be sure that was indeed what you were seeing.
It would be a good exercise to darken some parts of branches a bit more, look carefully where the shadows are in the reference. "Drawing what you see" is now evolving from seeing the correct forms to seeing the differences in shades.
Keep up the good work .
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Hi Arnoud,

Many thanks for your kind help. I tried increasing the contrast by erasing out some lighter areas and darkenning the darker ones. Strangely though, some parts of the tree which had become so dark that they couldnt take any more graphite, also appeared greyish after scanning.
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Samira -
This is outstanding . Very nice job.
About the scan: almost always, whether scanned or photographed, you will need a bit of "tweaking" in an image manipulation program before it looks more or less as your original.
Please move on .
Oh well, you did of course .
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