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View Poll Results: Design/Composition; which answer best fits your response?
I'd buy a book on the matter. 39 69.64%
I'd attend a brief lecture 8 14.29%
I'd attend a week long class 14 25.00%
not interested 4 7.14%
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Old 10-28-2002, 09:23 AM
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Question advanced composition for painters

I wonder how much interest there is out there for really advanced discussion of design and composition. What format would be preferred. It seems to me that even experienced professionals have regular challenges with this part of painting.

BTW, This lovely image of Rosa's is not one of those needing help IMO.
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Old 10-28-2002, 09:32 AM
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I'd buy a book (and have in the past) and go to a brief lecture or even a one or two day workshop, but I think a week of composition might be a battle of will power.

I find composition hard to get a feel for. Even though I've read about the subject, I still tend to go for a gut feel in picking a final composition. Not a very reliable method...
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Hi Tim. I would take a week long class if it was available (though that might be a bit challenging as mentioned above), probably buy the book too.

I think composition is 50% technical, 50% gut instinct. How do you feel about that?

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Old 10-28-2002, 12:11 PM
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Well, I'm still in my babyhood of understanding basic design and compostion so an advanced class would probably scare me to death. When I do have questions or want to learn more, I read books and then

Most important.... LOL


I visit the comp and design forum here at WC!

I'd love to see you do an article on design and composition so that I would have some of your thoughts in one place. How about it Tim... could you do one for us? We all would appreciate it.
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I'd be glad to but when I tried to figure out how to post an article the system whipped me. I couldn't figure out how to work the posting and pages etc. Maybe I'll try it again.

I know someone that teaches workshops at an established art school which has full time classes and thereby has really advanced painters take his class when he's there. Composition has become a greater part of his class each time he teaches and it's a popular subject.

There's so much to talk about. I think the trick would be to keep it hands on, with the art students having a go at the thoughts discussed. It's only a matter of becoming aware of the many nuiances of design. Like the image above, note how she unified the mass of white? White horses with men in white shirts make an abstract white form-that these are seperate objects is not important. The unit works-it's awesome. This is a part of the work of course, but it's so nicely done.
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I think our instincts reflect our knowledge base. We learn and then naturally blend the new observations into our personal data base. yes? Thus, a courtroom atty can, after 29 years, gain courtroom instinct not present at birth.
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Tim you posted one of my most favorite paintings! It's at the Met, and every time I go there I wind up standing in front of this painting (it's HUGE) and just staring for ages. I love it.

I too would love to see you do an article on compostion. I am still baffled by composition on the whole and I wind up going with my gut way too often.

I just figured out the article publisher myself, so if you need help from someone who until only recently was baffled by it, I'd be happy to lend a hand.

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Absolutely Tim! AND we would love for you to do an article!!!! Amy beat me to the punch........and since she has just recently used the article publisher, she can give you some good advice!!

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Oh Tina,


at what level would you like Tim to teach composition on -

Line,
Pattern[abstract],
Light and Shadow,
[negative and positive shapes]
Tone,
Colour,
Surface Texture,
and so on .......

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Composition is probably the technical heart and soul.
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Okay, I'm in too. I vote for Tim to do an article.

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Tim, i would be happy to put you in touch with Sassybird. She is our article guru and i'm sure she can help you with using the system. Just let me know. We could use an article like this!
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Re: Just to be Wicked - hee hee

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Oh Tina,


at what level would you like Tim to teach composition on -

Line,
Pattern[abstract],
Light and Shadow,
[negative and positive shapes]
Tone,
Colour,
Surface Texture,
and so on .......

Lovingly Titanium

Composition is probably the technical heart and soul.

WELL...........Can we just have it all? LOL You know us girls.........WE WANT IT ALL!!

LOL...on a more serious note, you know I have trouble with all of these . hee hee. Well, sometimes anyway. But the Article is for everyone, and I'm sure Tim can decide what he feels would best suit everyone's needs. It would be a fantastic educational addition to the article section! Hey T - maybe you could do one on Old Masters techniques??

((hugs!!))

Tim - was no intention to turn your thread into an advertisement for articles But, please do consider!

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Old 10-28-2002, 08:09 PM
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Tim: I see that you have already had lots of volunteer helpers and lots of folks that would love to see you do an article here.

Just a suggestion, why not start with the two that you already have in the system. Actually one already has two pages of images and thoughts behind it. With a little polish, these could really be your entire article. All you need to do is expand on what you already have.

The publisher can be a little hard to work with the first time, but don't give up. Take out some paper and draw a thumbnail of how you would like each page to look and then develop your pages from there. I think I released this one back to you in July with a few notes that you could begin the edit process with.

Sassybird is now the editor at large while I am on another assignment.... not WC! related. She will help you with any revamp you need. All you would need to do is go to your publisher and find the article you started on and decide where to go from there. Actually, you are almost there already. LOL

Take a look and see if you can fill in some blanks.
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Old 10-28-2002, 08:56 PM
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well thanks

I honestly think about design wholistically and would discuss everything at once in a format that would allow it. Were copyrights not an issue I could find lots of examples in today many art magazines to discuss. There are so amny specific things to mention. All the books I've seen miss the point, don't state the point or are simply for beginners.


I appreciate the offer for help and I'll try to do that. I'm dashing all over right now and have to paint for 2 shows and four galleries. I will get after soon.

Thank You All
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PS

There's a thread in debates about design that I started that use some infusion of ideas.

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