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Old 12-27-2009, 12:15 AM
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Question for Wallis paper users

After using Wallis Pro paper for a while now, I am thinking of investing in some of her Museum grade paper. Can you tell me about the differences in these two and why you like one or the other or both? I already know that the Museum grade is supposed to last longer, but I am asking about texture and quality differences if there are any. I am using Wallis specifically for under painting with watercolors and the airbrush paint Kitty recommends before applying the pastels. I have noticed that Dakota Pastels sells the Wallis in board form and I would like to try that also in the Museum grade and would greatly appreciate any input on your experiences with it. Thanks all!
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:07 AM
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

I first tried the Wallis Pro in white and then got some Wallis Museum in a pad. It seems to have the same texture exactly. Some people have posted that Wallis changed its formula a while back, couple of years ago, and old Wallis may be different.

Museum seemed worth the extra money to me because I could wash off bad paintings if I ruined a piece of it. They handle the same but the Museum stands up to more wet effects and more abuse.
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

Hi Drusilla, The one and only pad of Wallis Museum that I've ever ordered must have been a lemon. It has a much more pronounced texture than the Pro that I usually use and seems much toothier. I haven't given up on it - just need to save it for a painting where I really feel like piling on the pastel. I have much better luck mounting my Pro to museum board so that I can use any kind of wet underpainting that I want. I've never heard of others having this experience so you shouldn't hesitate to try it.
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

My experience is that the textures are very close, but the museum grade feels a bit finer to me (slightly less toothy). I've seen this difference across more than a single purchase, so I don't think it's a batch issue.

The main difference is that the museum has a coated back and (I think) an additional coat on the front.

When used unmounted the museum does have less of a tendency to buckle if you tend to work very wet. I've also used both pro and museum on museum board (from dakota), and I don't think the museum offers anything extra that justifies the added cost when mounted.

That's my take for what it's worth.
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

I usually use the Pro grade but I don't find the Museum to be that much different. Perhaps slightly smoother, as Timon says. I think it has three coats on the front and a different coating on the back, vice two coats on the Pro and a different backing paper.

I tape my Pro to a firm board all the way around the edge, and use the Createx Pure Pigments on it, not sopping it wet but getting a fair amount of coverage. The pieces in the 12x18" and smaller range flatten out when perfectly dry here in dry-dry-dry New Mexico.

Kitty also supplies directions for stretching the paper by placing tape face up on the back, and then placing a T of tape over that, so that you can tighten and stretch the paper as it dries. It works fine. See post #12 in this thread Kitty posted here years ago:http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...stretch+Wallis

I've never felt the need to use the boards, Drusilla, so let me know how it works for you.

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Old 12-28-2009, 12:48 AM
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

Thank you all very much for your replies. I will let you know how the board works. I have a roll of the pro that I am currently using and I got the directions for wetting and stretching with it so have been doing that just to get the curl out and I then after drying flat I have been mounting it to gator board with the grafix double sided sheets for the final under washes and pastels. Sometimes I will just go ahead and do the color under wash before mounting on the gator board, doing the stretching at that time if I know what I am going to do for a specific painting. These are mostly done for plein air work ahead of time so I can have a hard support with glassine attached ready to go. It is a lot of work but I love Wallis and experiment quite a bit with papers to get the end results I want, but I was hopeful that the board(ed) Wallis could spare me a step or two in the preparation stage. Thanks again everyone!
Oh and thanks for the link Deborah, very helpful!
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

I've found the Museum grade to be a little finer. Mounted, the Pro sometimes comes with a bit of a buckle. This can usually be straightened out when you tape it to your drawing board. I haven't noticed that yet on the mounted Museum. I thinking this is due to the gesso on the back side. They also indicate the front has an extra coat, which may also account for the texture difference.
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

Thanks Mike. I was wondering if that extra gessoing on the back would make a difference. I have ordered some Museum Wallis and am waiting for it's delivery. I have been wittling down a roll of the Pro paper for the last year, mostly using it to make larger paintings or square paintings and have had a time of it experimenting with the water-based underpainting and the taping method Kitty teaches to smooth out the buckling. Mainly due to the largeness of the paper I am attempting to use. I will also be trying the light oil painting underpainting technique that Richard McKinley advocates to see the difference and if I like it more than using water-based underpainting. I used to paint in oils, so am looking forward to incorporating the two, oils and pastels.
I am getting ready for my first show in many years so have been busy getting paintings finished and framed, something I have wanted to do for a long time. Between that and trying new paper methods and family matters that require some traveling and ranching, I don't have much time for internet, but I REALLY do appreciate everyone's input on my occasional questions here on the pastel forum. Thank you!
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

Good luck with your show Drusilla!

Let us know how it goes.

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Re: Question for Wallis paper users



My only experience with the Museum grade Wallis, was when I ordered it by accident once. It seemed to me (IMHO) to be very close to the Pro that I ususally use. I don't think that I'd order it again, for the expense and the Pro seems to be very widely used by so many people. I've not had the buckling problem with either...and mine usually remain unmatted and unframed longer than a person who sells more paintings!
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Ha Elsie ...I have paintings in portfolios that have been there since before the 1980's. Most of my recent paintings on Wallis have joined them until I can get to framing the deserving ones. I see them as a record of my life, subjects are what interested me at those times, much of it scientific illustrations, wildlife, portraits and science fiction and fantasy work, and commercial works I did for a living before I settled down to ranch in Arizona. DH had to build a storeroom for all the artwork and frames we have accumulated, not to mention ancestors artwork, which I am framing also to preserve them. I am still cataloging much of it, selling what is not family works and saving the rest. Never a dull moment here. The framing shop/gallery that is doing the show of my work had to twist my arm a bit to get me to do a show, it was not my intention yet, but they insisted since they like my work so much. And so I am showered with blessings! My Dad is bugging me to open a gallery, as if I don't have enough to do. If I hit lottery I am going to open a museum..... Life is grand, Happy New Year to all, may it be a prosperous and happy one for artists everywhere!
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

I have heard that there is not a huge difference between the two. I can't use either, the texture bothers me, I liken it to the sensation of fingernails on a chalk board, the sound and feel of pastels on this paper just makes my blood run cold.
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

Hi, this is my first post on WC. I am thinking of trying out the Wallis Pro paper but it doesn't appear to be available in the UK. Can anybody point me in the right direction for obtaining this online? Can you work pastels on it straight away or do you have to underpaint first?
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

Funny you should ask re UK AND your location...because there is a similar paper being marketed from the Leicestershire area...I can't remember his name at the moment...but I'll look in my files and let you know asap. OK...his name is Tim Fisher...I have a sample Fisher400- haven't used it yet, but it feels similar to Wallis...but I haven't done a comparison....I would also like to do a comparison re price of his versus importing from Dick Blick which is how I get my Wallis! Anyway...if you want to see for yourself there is a company selling it here.
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Re: Question for Wallis paper users

Thank you Deirdre. You have answered my unasked question about Tim Fisher's paper as to whether the Wallis paper is similar. I already use this (and it is absolutely fab) but having spotted positive reports about the Wallis I wondered how similar it was. I have done workshops with Tim and he is a great guy. I will probably stick with using the Fisher 400 if as you say it is similar to the Wallis. Thanks again!

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Funny you should ask re UK AND your location...because there is a similar paper being marketed from the Leicestershire area...I can't remember his name at the moment...but I'll look in my files and let you know asap. OK...his name is Tim Fisher...I have a sample Fisher400- haven't used it yet, but it feels similar to Wallis...but I haven't done a comparison....I would also like to do a comparison re price of his versus importing from Dick Blick which is how I get my Wallis! Anyway...if you want to see for yourself there is a company selling it here.
 


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