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Old 09-03-2002, 01:48 AM
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FOCUS GROUP: Acrylic Paints/Mediums/etc.

My initial thoughts:

I've loaded up a number of acrylic paints/mediums into the product review system. You can check the demo at any time to see what is there, what isn't, etc.

What we need to do is to continue compiling a solid list of the vendors and their brands If you can find vendor logos/info for vendors that don't have them yet, product images, product descriptions, etc., post 'em here and I'll incorporate them into the review system. If you can't find product images of good quality, product descriptions, etc., or don't have the time, that's okay - just post the vendor/brand name here, and I'll research it.

Also, we need to focus on the rating questions for the various Acrylic-related categories. To get us started, feel free to look at the Oil Paints thread for some ideas, as well as the current list of questions for Oil Paints.

The Current List

Here is the current list (which I will try to keep as up-to-date as possible):
  • Color Variety
  • Consistency/Workability
  • Pigment/Color Quality
  • Container/Tube Quality
  • Opaque Covering Ability (for opaque colors)
  • Transparency Rating (for transparent colors)
  • Value for the Money

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I'm always pressed for time so, I'm just going to list a few criteria important in the use of acylic paints:

consistency - uniformity of consistency; smoothness
drying time
transparency/opaqueness (as applies to color)
lightfastness

major vendor - Pearl Paint

brands of paint (very incomplete list):
Golden
Lascaux
Windsor & Newton
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Here's logo and information on another fine manufacturer of acrylics, oils and watercolors:
http://www.danielsmith.com/2002/abou...facturing.html



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consistency - uniformity of consistency; smoothness


Yes, we have this now for oils. Makes sense that it would be there for Acrylics, too.

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drying time


I'm no Acrylic expert, so bear with me. All acrylic paints are (supposedly) fast drying (as compared to oils, I mean). Is "drying time" something that varies from one color to the next, within a line of paints, or is this something we can evaluate an entire line of paints on? i.e. Liquitex dries faster than Holbein.

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transparency/opaqueness (as applies to color)


With oils, we split this into two questions - one asking to rate the opaque covering power, and the other to rate the transparent qualities. I assume we could do the same here?

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lightfastness

doesn't lightfastness (and permanence) vary from one color to the next? If so, it would be tough to ask this question. Of course, if it is possible to evaluate an entire brand or line of paints with regard to lightfastness, this would be a good one.

Again, I'm no acrylic expert, so feel free to "trout slap" me if I'm asking silly things.

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Is "drying time" something that varies from one color to the next, within a line of paints, or is this something we can evaluate an entire line of paints on? i.e. Liquitex dries faster than Holbein.

Drying time does vary from color to color within a line of paints.
However when I switched from using Winsor & Newton to "Golden" I was certain that Golden paints didn't dry as quickly as W&N.



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With oils, we split this into two questions - one asking to rate the opaque covering power, and the other to rate the transparent qualities. I assume we could do the same here?

I think it would be sufficient to rate the opacity of colors. I think that knowledge of opacity of colors is more desirable for acrylic painters but I can only really speak for myself.
Also, if opacity is excellent for a particular color, this color is obviously not transparent.
I don't think (in fact I am quite certain) that opacity of colors does not vary from one brand of paint to another.

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doesn't lightfastness (and permanence) vary from one color to the next? If so, it would be tough to ask this question. Of course, if it is possible to evaluate an entire brand or line of paints with regard to lightfastness, this would be a good one.


Lightfastness varies from one color to the next.
However one might be able to evaluate this quality perhaps, as it pertains to "artist grade" vs. "student grade" paints within each brand of paint.

I don't want to give the impression that I am an expert regarding acrylic paints, because I am not.
What I know about acrylic paints is based on my experience of painting with them for approximately 20 years.

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Drying time does vary from color to color within a line of paints.
However when I switched from using Winsor & Newton to "Golden" I was certain that Golden paints didn't dry as quickly as W&N.


Yes, but is it all relative with acrylics? I mean, if some brands take a really long time to dry, and others don't, I'd say this is something we can ask a reviewer to grade. If all acrylics dry fast, but some slightly faster than others, I'm not sure this will be very valuable.


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I think it would be sufficient to rate the opacity of colors. I think that knowledge of opacity of colors is more desirable for acrylic painters but I can only really speak for myself.
Also, if opacity is excellent for a particular color, this color is obviously not transparent.
I don't think (in fact I am quite certain) that opacity of colors does not vary from one brand of paint to another.

Here I go "assuming" again. I was under the assumption that, like oils, certain colors are opaque, and some are more transparent. If this isn't the case, then a single question would work. Perhaps you can give me an example of the question we would ask, then the 5 possible answers.

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Lightfastness varies from one color to the next.
However one might be able to evaluate this quality perhaps, as it pertains to "artist grade" vs. "student grade" paints within each brand of paint.


As the student and professional paints are in separate categories, does this make sense? Remember, the detailed product comparison only happens within the same category, so you can't really compare student paints to professional paints.

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I don't want to give the impression that I am an expert regarding acrylic paints, because I am not.
What I know about acrylic paints is based on my experience of painting with them for approximately 20 years.

Hey, that's 20 years more than I've worked with them - lol.

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If all acrylics dry fast, but some slightly faster than others, I'm not sure this will be very valuable.


I agree with you - all acrylic paints dry fast.

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As the student and professional paints are in separate categories, does this make sense? Remember, the detailed product comparison only happens within the same category, so you can't really compare student paints to professional paints.


I agree with you again.


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I was under the assumption that, like oils, certain colors are opaque, and some are more transparent.


You are correct in your assumption.
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I second the consistency bit as this varies so much in acrylics - some brands are very fluid, others very stiff. And different artists prefer different types. I'm a fluid girl myself and would rather buy a fluid consistency brand then add medium.

Color changes in acrylics are also common when using mediums - so maybe a way of grading colour consistency when medium is added? Some brands are much better at "holding" the colour value with medium. That would be a trait of the mediums rather than the paints, btw, from my experience. Grading would be something like 'no colour change' to 'large change in opacity' when medium is added per the manufacturer's instructions.

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I've updated the list at the top - thoughts?
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I have a thought about the following:
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Pigment/Color Quality


I recommend instead of color quality, you spell out the color quality I think you are referring to which is "lightfastness".

So, how about:

Pigment/lightfastness


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We could do that, but then, do you ask them to rate "permanence" as well?
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Hi,
Lightfastness connotes permanence.
This is a direct quote from artlex.com:

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lightfast - Having the ability to resist fading on long exposure to sunlight. Denotes permanence when applied to pigment. The opposite quality is called fugitive.



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Yes, you are correct. They are implicitly related.

This came up in the oils discussion thread here, and we felt that since lightfastness would vary from one color to the next within the same brand/line of paints, that it would be difficult to rate for an entire line. So we decided upon a more generic "pigment/color quality" rating.

Open to other interpretations/thoughts, of course.

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