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Old 03-20-2009, 08:18 AM
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Re: ESP - Portrait & Figure Fundamentals - Lesson 3: Measuring

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to get the baby hair, I sharpened my pastel pencil on a sanding sponge,or use very fine sand paper, into a wedge shape, lightly dragged 3 different colors over the sanded surface, took a fine color shaper ad softened the edges in places so it wasn't too hard and even, then very lightly drew very thin highlights in a few places and softened those with the clay shaper( harder than the color shaper.)

Coleen...what is a colour shaper? Kathy
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re color shapers
they are paintbrush handle tools with hard to soft rubber tip in various shapes, great for manipulating pastel
Online you usually have to buy in lots of 6, try to find them one off. I prefer the firm and the hard ones used for clay. Do a search in Jerrysartarama.com for color shaper to see them.


On with Sargent, I now own one portrait book in the series (large format 3 vol.) I have the other 2 on order from my library. There is a lot to learn from his work, more than just one time reading can give.

He has so many ways to do his work, he didn't really use a "formula" approach, so there is quite a range in bg. Here's one that I found unusual. I normally try never to do this, ie let the strokes in the bg follow the subject shape. Notice he still does not create a "halo" with unbroken light all around the head, it's still broken into dark and light sides.

I'm posting his with a close up, hope you can see the color is off in the scan, and it shows up more in RL. also my pastels are not adequate to reproduce the colors. BTW Sargent considered pastels inadequate for portrait work, as they were insufficent in his opinion to the task. He occasionally did sketches with them but mostly did even those in oil or watercolor,
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Re: ESP - Portrait & Figure Fundamentals - Lesson 3: Measuring

Dear Colleen:
Thanks for the information. I do have a couple of the softer tipped color shapers but it seems I often take off pastel unintentionally rather than push it where I want it. I'll try the harder tipped ones and get some sandpaper for my pencils. I think the baby picture is simply fabulous! As are many, many of the others I've seen in this class. Thanks Don for your patient explanations. I've have gone through the whole of the postings in about a week so I'll need to time to absorb the great instruction. Later, everyone.
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Thank you Colleen for info re colour shapers. Is it possible to give demo? Or give a link to one? Would much appreciate it. Kathy
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Re: ESP - Portrait & Figure Fundamentals - Lesson 3: Measuring

I know this is confusing, but we have 4 different threads for this class - this one is class 3 - measuring. Since Colleen's latest post is primarily about backgrounds, and is a continuation of her Sargent background studies that she has been posting in class 4 - backgrounds and depth, I am going to copy her post to that thread. So, to try to keep things organized, please reply to her post in the class 4 post, which is a "sticky" thread, and can be found here:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549886

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Re: ESP - Portrait & Figure Fundamentals - Lesson 3: Measuring

Very useful info! Thank you very much, Don!
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Re: ESP - Portrait & Figure Fundamentals - Lesson 3: Measuring

Now 2019...10 years after this first posted. It is thorough and relevant for me getting into portraiture. I plan to start with the first lesson eyes. Thank you from the present for all you’ve done. E
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