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I do not know much about Bouguereau. And why do you think his style would not work well on instagram?
aren't embracing naked babies with wings still popular?

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aren't embracing naked babies with wings still popular?
In art everything is still popular! Bird's drops, rectangles, triangles, pissing babe, computer chaos, green reptiloid portraits, large gigapixel oil printing e.t.c.
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OK, to add to my original brief comments:

1. Bouguereau is too photographic looking. In the age of the photography, paintings that look like photographs aren't appreciated anymore. When people look to artists with great skill, it's Sargent who epitomizes that. His huge brushstrokes scream "this is a painting not a photo!"

2. Even though Instagram users like kitsch, Bouguereau is a very old-fashioned type of kitsch. Popular art accounts are more bright and colorful with simpler subject matter. Simple subjects are needed to look good on a little tiny smartphone screen. And even on Instagram, the photography rule applies: people don't want art to look like a photo or like something that came out of photoshop.

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"All painting styles fall along a continuum. This starts from pure naturalism at the one extreme, in which there is no interpretation of what you see – you just capture it as it is. To pure abstraction at the other extreme – in which there is little or no relation in the painting to anything real.

And there are any number of styles in between these two extremes:
pure naturalism
photorealism
classical realism
surrealism
impressionism
post impressionism
expressionism
abstract expressionism
pure abstract
Every style except the last one is realism."

The idea comes from virtual art academy. The abstract expressionism is probably a kind of psycho realism. At least, the sign on the paintings are realistic. Good to show that on Instagramm!

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It appears to me that the problem here is that many are defining what makes good art based primarily on what we, personally, like. But what we like is such an individual measure that it's impossible to use as a legitimate criteria for judging art.

It's like arguing over which vegetable tastes best. This isn't to say that it's wrong to have a preference, it's just a mistake, imho, to insist or expect that your own preference should be a universal thing, agreed upon by everyone.
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back on topic, I've seen some truly great art made with student paints!
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back on topic, I've seen some truly great art made with student paints!

Ive seen some truly awful art made with Artists Quality paint.

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Re: Artist vs Student Grade Paints

For those who wish to drift off-topic, I started another thread over at Café Guerbois.
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" In fact there is a good argument to be made that the cheaper the paints the better. This is because you will not be afraid to play more with the colors, and it is in the playing that you learn the most about color, not just with the color theory. Play and creativity are closely linked and the last thing you want is to be painting and worried about wasting paint. That would stifle your ability to find beautiful color harmonies on the palette or on the painting surface.

I have taught students in China who are using relatively less expensive paints, and certainly not using expensive artists grade paints, and they are now doing some beautiful work. So I would ignore all the conventional wisdom about only using artist grade paints! "

But, there are a good artists' oil paint of Made in China. 40 ml tubes of Siic Marie artists oil paint.

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Re: Artist vs Student Grade Paints

Thank goodness we live in an age where there are no rigid guidelines as to how we must paint or what type of paintings are acceptable. Whether abstract, impressionistic, or realistic they all have there practitioners and admirers.

For those looking for some modern day classical realists, try looking up Cesar Santos, Jacob Collins, Graydon Parrish among others. The notion that no one can paint like the old masters will probably disappear. The idea that any sort of classical realism is totally unpopular or not accepted will also disappear.

James Gurney is highly regarded as one of today's top painters. He doesn't hesitate using student grade paints. Here's one of his older blog entries:

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/20...nt-brands.html

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Re: Artist vs Student Grade Paints

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back on topic, I've seen some truly great art made with student paints!

I am certain that Sargent could make a better painting with student paints than anyone on this forum could make with Old Holland paints. Absolutely 100% certain of it.
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Don't tell anyone but I think most of the world's greatest paintings were probably made with paints that would be deemed "inferior" by todays loaded up and tubed standards, thickened so they won't separate from the oil in the tubes, and thereby horrify users, "oh my gosh, why am I seeing this oil in oil paints!"
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Paint labeling and marketing terms are very vague. There is not really much stopping a company from labeling anything as “Artist” quality. I utilize several M Graham and Art Treehouse paints most frequently, neither are too expensive for me and definitely not Old Holland cost. I also use and like Van Gogh and have tried Lukas 1862 paints and found them quite nice as well. I picked up some Permanent Pigments oil paints at a second hand store years ago and enjoy them as well (they remind me of Grumbacher which I have also tried).

The quality of the paint is largely not going to make an artist better or not though, grab what you like as far as how it feels under the brush and keep focusing on improving and you certainly will do so.

Also, Sid is right regarding quality of paintings made with what may be considered sub optimal paint. Note that it largely doesn’t even matter if it is going to last to many buyers if they like how it looks right now.
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"All painting styles fall along a continuum. This starts from pure naturalism at the one extreme, in which there is no interpretation of what you see – you just capture it as it is. To pure abstraction at the other extreme – in which there is little or no relation in the painting to anything real.

And there are any number of styles in between these two extremes:
pure naturalism
photorealism
classical realism
surrealism
impressionism
post impressionism
expressionism
abstract expressionism
pure abstract
Every style except the last one is realism."

The idea comes from virtual art academy. The abstract expressionism is probably a kind of psycho realism. At least, the sign on the paintings are realistic. Good to show that on Instagramm!

You can see a video explaining the ideas in my Guide to Critiquing Master Paintings.

I hope you find the guide useful.

P.S. If you are interested in where Gigalot's quote came from and want to go into much more detail, it is on page 8 of the Virtual Art Academy eLibrary Course Unit 3 - Visual Music and Poetry Model. Here is a preview of part of that eLibrary: Visual Music & Poetry part of the painting eLibrary where this came from.
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