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    AnArtist123
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        Is there a Caran d’Ache Pablo chart with the lightfast ratings on it?

        I’ve Googled and looked on the Caran d’Ache site but cannot find the lightfast ratings per pencil. Does anyone know where a valid lightfast chart is for the Pablo pencils?

        #917806
        brissie
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            yes there is here’s a link I downloaded and printed for my refernce if you put the address in it pops up on the top showing it’s a “PDF” file
            http://www.cristelcreatief.nl/files/kleurenkaart%20pablo.pdf

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            jasminetoile
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                #917813
                AnArtist123
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                    Here : [URL]https://esquisseparis.fr/catalogue/categories/couleurs/crayons-permanents-pablo-caran-d-ache[/URL]
                    click on “Télécharger un nuancier”

                    Merci! I now not only have a lovely chart with the colors + lightfast ratings, I am adding to my French/German color vocabulary! It is a win-win! Thanks!

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                    AnArtist123
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                        yes there is here’s a link I downloaded and printed for my refernce if you put the address in it pops up on the top showing it’s a “PDF” file
                        [url]http://www.cristelcreatief.nl/files/kleurenkaart%20pablo.pdf[/url]

                        Thanks!

                        #917807

                        If you scroll down below the dimmed color chart there is a text listing of the color with LF ratings and pigment information

                        http://coloredpencilinfo.com/documents/pablo_.html

                        Clair

                        Learn as if you were going to live forever. - Ghandi

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                        AnArtist123
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                            If you scroll down below the dimmed color chart there is a text listing of the color with [B]LF ratings and pigment information[/B]

                            [url]http://coloredpencilinfo.com/documents/pablo_.html[/url]

                            Clair

                            Thanks! I was a little surprised at the number of pencils rated a 2. Still a fairly decent LF rating but was hoping to find some more rated 3.

                            #917808

                            Pablos are, I am almost certain, my favorite go to pencils — though Derwent does tug at my heart!!!

                            Learn as if you were going to live forever. - Ghandi

                            #917804
                            ManedWolf
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                                Looking at the Pablo pigment list it’s fairly easy to see why some colours are rated ** only. Pigment Yellows, Oranges, Reds, Violets and Blues with one-digit numbers are old-fashioned if not downright obsolete – on the other hand it’s difficult to understand why ochres made of PY42 are ** instead of *** rated. Actually the Pablo (and Supracolor and Prismalo) ratings seem to be based on short-time artificial UV tests and they don’t tell everything about the real long-time lightfastness in normal household lighting.

                                It’s best to test everything yourself if you want to be absolutely sure. I won’t worry about pigments like yellow ochre PY42 or phthalo green PG7 but things like lemon yellow PY3 are more suspicious. One summer on a sunny window is more than enough to separate the really bad from the useful.

                                I’ve found this website useful – it deals with watercolours but the pigments are the same nevertheless.

                                Heikki

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                                jasminetoile
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                                    There are some very interesting documents on Manon Leclerc’s website. She is a Canadian artist. She does her own tests. The results (PDF) can be found here:
                                    https://manonleclerc.jimdo.com/telechargements/

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                                    Antonin
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                                        There are some very interesting documents on Manon Leclerc’s website. She is a Canadian artist. She does her own tests. The results (PDF) can be found here:
                                        [url]https://manonleclerc.jimdo.com/telechargements/[/url]

                                        Your link leads to a “page not found”; is this what you are referring to?

                                        https://manonleclerc.jimdo.com/2012/03/16/r%C3%A9sistance-%C3%A0-la-lumi%C3%A8re-des-pablo-de-caran-d-ache-r%C3%A9sultats/

                                        Interesting that some of the pencils that the manufacturer lists as **, she gives ***. Others shades that Caran d’Ache says are ***, she gives 0 stars.

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                                        jasminetoile
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                                            Your link leads to a “page not found”; is this what you are referring to?

                                            [URL]https://manonleclerc.jimdo.com/2012/03/16/r%C3%A9sistance-%C3%A0-la-lumi%C3%A8re-des-pablo-de-caran-d-ache-r%C3%A9sultats/[/URL]

                                            Interesting that some of the pencils that the manufacturer lists as **, she gives ***. Others shades that Caran d’Ache says are ***, she gives 0 stars.

                                            [FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yes that’s right. Sorry about the wrong link.[/FONT]

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                                            ManedWolf
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                                                I tend to agree with Leclerc. That’s very probably the long-term testing in natural light I was talking about. Hues like Salmon 071, Periwinkle blue 131 and Sky blue 141 have always been known as notoriously fugitive.

                                                I remember testing my full 40 set of Prismalos (the best a youngster could afford) in the mid-1970s and I was quite disappointed – my test was not scientific at all but it quickly showed that oranges and pinks and violets and oddly enough some light blues can be very fugitive indeed. Do I remember right that Russet 065 quickly turned gray? Or was it later Staedtler Karat light brown 049? Or both?

                                                Heikki

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                                                AnArtist123
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                                                    Your link leads to a “page not found”; is this what you are referring to?

                                                    [url]https://manonleclerc.jimdo.com/2012/03/16/r%C3%A9sistance-%C3%A0-la-lumi%C3%A8re-des-pablo-de-caran-d-ache-r%C3%A9sultats/[/url]

                                                    Interesting that some of the pencils that the manufacturer lists as **, she gives ***. Others shades that Caran d’Ache says are ***, she gives 0 stars.

                                                    Lisa Lachri explained on her You Tube channel the star system used by Faber-Castell which I assume is the same system used by Caran d’Ache. Star system is based on the Blue Wool Scale of 1-8 (8 is best) instead of the newer ASTM 1-4 scale (1 is best).

                                                    Stars to Blue Wool Scale Conversion:
                                                    Three Stars is rated 7/8 and is excellent.
                                                    Two Stars is rated 5/6 and is good.
                                                    One Star is poor to downright fugitive and should be avoided.

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