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Old 04-28-2018, 06:01 PM
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The looking pineapple : WIP

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What do you think of this one? It's a WIP, but I want to call it finished except the pineapple. It's painted alla prima from life. Except the jug which I just put a 2nd layer on. Hopefully I'll get finished before the pineapple rots . It's called "The looking pineapple" because mother buys a pineapple and just sets it on the counter and never cuts it. I call them looking pineapples.

I'm having trouble with sinking. The canvas primer I cut with just OMS. And the first layer sunk really badly. So today I ended up repainting the background with really oily paint. Which doesn't really look so fantastic IMO. But what can you do? Anyone know a way I can improve that black background? It's got some oily/shinny streaks. I need to find a method to prime canvases that doesn't sink the top layers so bad.

Thanks for lOOking. It's 18x24 on birch.

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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

Yes, everything appears to be real, except for the pineapple. Putting more "guts" into that pineapple would finish it off to be an incredible piece of art, in my opinion!

The fabric, tray, and jug are astonishingly realistic!

Oh.....check the symmetry of the "shoulders" on the jug. They seem to be a bit different. Easy fix!
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

Lovely reflected hues in the silver tray. And I like your dusty jug.

The oval (top of liquid in jug) is too pointy on left side - needs to be a smoother curve. Also the reflections of the pineapple in the jug look awkward, as if a photo stuck on, not a real reflection.

Many acrylic ground canvases have huge sink-in. Sometimes just switching brands of gesso will make all the difference in the world. Or you can try an oil primed canvas, like Claussens, has less sink in and a lovely surface to paint on.
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

It’s great Ellis.. there’s some good things going on in the bottle- just some minor adjustments in ellipses! I’m not going to say anything about the pineapple — just maybe grounding it ! Good job ! Remember art is relative ..
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Ellis: I agree with Bill on the PineA.
But wow on all the other subjects.
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

joining in to salute the jug. great job!
the cork might actually look like that from painting point of view, i know that from experience, but when looking at the painting there's a fish eye lens effect. compare ellipse at the bottom of jug to that of the cork. maybe even fake it just a little?
the cloth is real. pinapple coming along deliciously. looking forward to more!
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:11 PM
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

Thank you for the inspiration Bill, Allison, Carol, Derek and Ronsu. I think carefully about your responses.

I put another layer on the pineapple today, but I wiped it off. The reference is just to brown. Smells delicious though. I looked at it a little to long I guess. So I may use another pineapple or a photo I'm not sure if I can get a photo to look good enough to paint from.

But I feel really inspired from the responses to push the painting to the max. The pineapple is more of a challenge than I anticipated. It's alot like painting reptile scales. Which I promised myself I wasn't gonna do again.
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

I like this very much!! Also agree the pineapple needs more work. Really nice work on all the textures and liquid.

When I buy a whole pineapple I keep it out and stare at it for a few days, too. There is something wonderful about a whole pineapple.
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

Canvas surface prep to control sinking:

. Retouch varnish (½ Gamvar varnish, ½ OMS mixed), add a bit of your favorite
tone color
. Apply with brush or PT, wipe off excess
. Dry overnight

Picked this up from Marc Dalessio, and figured it must be a valid method coming from a modern master. This works well for me.

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Canvas surface prep to control sinking:

. Retouch varnish (½ Gamvar varnish, ½ OMS mixed), add a bit of your favorite
tone color
. Apply with brush or PT, wipe off excess
. Dry overnight

Picked this up from Marc Dalessio, and figured it must be a valid method coming from a modern master. This works well for me.

http://timthepainter.com/

Gamvar does not cross link and should therefore only be used for a final picture varnish. You should not put oil paint on top of gamvar. And I definitely wouldn't put gamvar under a bunch of layers of paint. Are you sure you don't mean dammar - 1/2 dammar and 1/2 OMS?
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Gamvar does not cross link and should therefore only be used for a final picture varnish. You should not put oil paint on top of gamvar. And I definitely wouldn't put gamvar under a bunch of layers of paint. Are you sure you don't mean dammar - 1/2 dammar and 1/2 OMS?

This is absolutely true, in my opinion. GamVar is much to easily dissolved with OMS to be used as an integral part of your painting. As a final, retouch varnish on top of a finished painting, it has no equal, but I'd definitely caution against using it within the painting.

Use a natural resin within the painting, such as Damar, Copal, Venice Turpentine, Canada Balsam, because these bond to the painted surfaces, becoming part of the structure of the painting.
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Sorry....double-posted.
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

Sorry, I was not aware of the variations in Gamvar. Will cease immediately and switch to Damar.
Thanks for the insight.
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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

More on this one. I worked on the pineapple a few days. Going to add another round of details to it and the tray maybe. :P Had to toss the pineapple and ate the replacement so I'll be working from reference photos.

The background was still sinking and I needed to do some edge control so I ended up repainting the background and edges with alot of oil, no solvent and leaning to the cool side of my chromatic black. Hopefully that will do it.

As far as controlling the sinking, I did a little research and I ended up ordering some oil primer from W&N, which is a alkyd/resin/lead mix. I'm going to try that instead of gesso/lean primer on the next piece.

So I'm pretty happy with it right now . Just a little more detail to drill down. Gotta let it dry for a good week..

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Re: The looking pineapple : WIP

Really nice progression!! The base of the pineapple looks great.
My only comment is to put some more green in the leaves, as they are more green than what you have in the painting.
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