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Old 02-17-2020, 04:00 PM
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Cliff and sea practice

Trying to practice composition, values, and ocean / seaside landscapes. Made a value sketch, then a grisaille, and then tried my hand at painting it. Learned a lot about things I’d do differently next time.

8 x 10 oil on panel.

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Re: Cliff and sea practice

All three look great to me Christopher. My favorite is the value sketch. You really got the vertical cliff rocks and edges down perfectly. In the painting, it looks like you went horizontal with the rocks. It looks good but the sketch looks amazing.

I struggle with these damn cliff rocks as well. I think the trick (from what I have been told and am somehow unable to do it) is to keep the values in the same range and block in large mass tones rather than trying to capture every detail. I can do it perfectly with the grisaille stage but the painting stage always looks choppy.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:42 PM
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Re: Cliff and sea practice

Thank you Wes. Yah, I saw that too that the pencil sketch looked much more specific. A great suggestion you offered! I’ll try that next time. Many thanks!
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These are all nice. Good work on the process.
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Re: Cliff and sea practice

This is a very effective progression to me. I like the way that you used less intense colors for most of the painting saving those strong blues for just a few spots. I need to learn to do that. Gary
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Re: Cliff and sea practice

I agree with what the others have said....beautiful progression here. Nice use of lights and darks and good depth portrayed as well.
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I really liked the mixture of colours at the top of the mountains.
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Love the light on the water and on the foreground clifftop. Beautiful color in this!
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Re: Cliff and sea practice

It's a great approach, and can be done very quickly with a very small painting too. What would you do differently?
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:42 PM
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Re: Cliff and sea practice

David - thank you for your support.

Gary - thank you. I learn so much from your work.

John - thank you for your helpful comments.

Arlene - thank you. I enjoyed trying to get a variety of tones and hues. Would love to get back in and get more specific highlights and shadows, and values. Always a challenge for me.

Lucy - thank you for your helpful thoughts.

Ken - thank you for your comments. I've been very inspired by your beautiful work. I would’ve loved to have gotten more value variation in the cliffs and flat planes as they recede and have more specific textures throughout but particularly in the foreground. Water reflections too were something I couldn’t quite manage.

Thanks again all for your time and comments.

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Ken - thank you for your comments. I've been very inspired by your beautiful work. I would’ve loved to have gotten more value variation in the cliffs and flat planes as they recede and have more specific textures throughout but particularly in the foreground. Water reflections too were something I couldn’t quite manage.
Thank you Christopher! Your grissale is closest, but should reflect your actual intended values of the final. Developing your sensitivity to the medium and understanding of light, textures, and value: it will greatly help with your work in color. Based on your color version, this what that might look like:

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Re: Cliff and sea practice

I think the colored one is great, and very original as well for a type of scene that has been painted countless times before.
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Re: Cliff and sea practice

Don't get psyched-out with cliffs, they are one of the easiest things to paint.

The cliffs in your drawing look fantastic. But you obliterated everything when you applied paint. The point of a grisaille is to let much of it show through. This is done with layers of glazes. If you completely obliterate your grisaille, then there was no point in painting it in the first place. I use the grisaille method a lot and used to have the same problem you have here until I fully understood how glazing works.

You might try painting your cliffs in a mid-tone, with slight value changes to define crevices, etc, and then, when dry, use a transparent glaze to darken the shadows. This is the old master technique of using transparent paint in dark areas and opaque in light areas. Use the darker glaze to define cracks, crevices, etc. Do this in steps and let the painting dry thoroughly before working on it again. For highlights, use opaque paint as needed. With glazing you can finely tune everything--shape, values, color/temperature, etc.

Again, your drawing looks about perfect; if you can draw cliffs that well you can paint them. I don't like giving C&C because everyone has a different opinion/method that works for them, and you can end up more confused than helped. Disregarding everything I say, just keep practicing, you'll get there soon enough.

The cliffs and rocks in the small study below were painted in the method I described, with mostly glazes. . .
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Btw, I mistook your drawing for your grisaille. Your drawing was an absolute perfect grisaille--everything well-defined, including values. If you had painted the grisaille equivalent of your drawing, and then glazed it properly, letting much of the grisaille show through, you would've ended up with near-perfect cliffs.
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Old 02-24-2020, 01:57 PM
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Re: Cliff and sea practice

Ken - Thank you very much for your comments I see what you mean. I'll try that on the next one.

Oldnmartist - thank you for your helpful comments.

Mr. Majestyk - Thank you fo your helpful thoughts and advice. Will look forward tp applying these thoughts to my next one.
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