WetCanvas
Home Member Services Content Areas Tools Info Center WC Partners Shop Help
Channels:
Search for:
in:

Welcome to the WetCanvas forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit our help center.

Go Back   WetCanvas > Explore Media > Pen and Ink > Calligraphy
User Name
Password
Register Mark Forums Read

Salute to our Partners
WC! Sponsors

Our Sponsors
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #376   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-18-2014, 02:29 AM
dgford's Avatar
dgford dgford is offline
Enthusiast
Sydney, Australia
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,898
 
Hails from Australia
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Mike, your inter-letter spacing is really showing improvement. Good.

But that pen-angle has lapsed again ! I think I may know the reason.

When you are making your letters you may be using just your fingers or working by moving your hand from your wrist. The hand and arm must remain locked in that pen-tip to elbow position so that when you make the downstroke of the L it is pulling back your elbow that makes that downstroke. Then when the horizontal stroke is needed it is your elbow that moves to the side to make it. When that is the technique that is used, the nib angle cannot change — unless you are writing on the far left or right of your paper. Hence the reason for sliding the paper to keep it in the sweet spot.

Imagine, for a moment, that I handed you a 2 inch wide nib (i do have one ! ) and asked you to make your letters 1 foot high. First it would be difficult to write them on a flat surface so the surface would have to be tilted quite a lot. Second, your fingers may move the pen 1 inch but certainly not 1 foot. Third, you would have to use your whole arm to make the strokes but the pen-tip to elbow hold would have to remain constant.

The same thinking applies to all calligraphy writing. I may be able to find a photo of me standing by the biggest piece of calligraphy I ever did. If so, I'll send it down to you.

So, it's another repeat, I'm afraid. But I do admire your willingness to stick with it and your determination to succeed. You are a man of my own heart — look at my life's motto at the bottom of this panel.

In Cornish it is "Vyag ew sowenna".

Geoff
__________________
Success is a Journey

Last edited by dgford : 04-18-2014 at 02:35 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #377   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-18-2014, 07:38 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgford
Mike, your inter-letter spacing is really showing improvement. Good.

But that pen-angle has lapsed again ! I think I may know the reason.

When you are making your letters you may be using just your fingers or working by moving your hand from your wrist. The hand and arm must remain locked in that pen-tip to elbow position so that when you make the downstroke of the L it is pulling back your elbow that makes that downstroke. Then when the horizontal stroke is needed it is your elbow that moves to the side to make it. When that is the technique that is used, the nib angle cannot change — unless you are writing on the far left or right of your paper. Hence the reason for sliding the paper to keep it in the sweet spot.

Imagine, for a moment, that I handed you a 2 inch wide nib (i do have one ! ) and asked you to make your letters 1 foot high. First it would be difficult to write them on a flat surface so the surface would have to be tilted quite a lot. Second, your fingers may move the pen 1 inch but certainly not 1 foot. Third, you would have to use your whole arm to make the strokes but the pen-tip to elbow hold would have to remain constant.

The same thinking applies to all calligraphy writing. I may be able to find a photo of me standing by the biggest piece of calligraphy I ever did. If so, I'll send it down to you.

So, it's another repeat, I'm afraid. But I do admire your willingness to stick with it and your determination to succeed. You are a man of my own heart — look at my life's motto at the bottom of this panel.

In Cornish it is "Vyag ew sowenna".

Geoff

Thanks so much Geoff..........NO PROBLEM WITH THE REPEAT OF THE EXERCISE ITS A LEARNING CURVE..............but firstly a couple of questions

Ive cut down an Artist stand as a writing top,but actually writing on
a piece of Popular ply

I will enclose A FEW PHOTOS for you to examine

What is the best method use after viewing the photos

What angle should the top be set too!!
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #378   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-18-2014, 07:44 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

geoff
see Attachments
Look forward to your advice please


Kind Regards Mike
Attached Images
   
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #379   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-18-2014, 08:56 AM
dgford's Avatar
dgford dgford is offline
Enthusiast
Sydney, Australia
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,898
 
Hails from Australia
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

You handle your camera very well in these photos, Mike.

It looks good, providing you don't have to lean forward to reach your writing area. If it is too far forward it will make it difficult to control your pen movements and letter shapes but, worse, it will cause you to have back prob;ems — not good!

The tilt decision is a very personal one. Try a few different tilts and stick with what feels most comfortable to you. just make sure that you can easily move your paper around as you wriie.

Mike, I truly believe that you should be looking around for a scanner. A printer with an inbuilt scanner is ideal and they can be bought quite cheaply nowadays — directly from computer stores, discount stores, online or e-bay. The amount of calligraphy that you are aiming to become involved with suggests that you will saving an incredible amount of time, getting impeccably sharp results and having a permanent facility for scanning, photo-copying, making permanent print-outs of your better works, even faxing (if you are into that thing), printing scanned Christmas Cards, etc. Do please consider it. It is not a luxury but a wonderful Easter present for yourself.

I can't find the image with me standing beside it but here is the work itself. The largest pen I could buy was a 1" Coit so I made my own 2" from a strip of balsa and then worked with the Coit over it. The work is on a 6ft length of Stonehenge paper pounced well with gum sandarac to get crisp edges. I set up an outdoors BBQ table at a slope over the chairs so that I could stand and work, whilst being able to slide the paper up or down to suit my reach.

It was commissioned to be a presentation as a wall hanging in an Historic Museum. Can you imagine the challenge with that 4ft tail of the G. I note now that the space between the O and H in JOHN LISTER is a little too much. But I am very happy with the open spacing in FIRST PAYABLE.

Happy Easter

Geoff

__________________
Success is a Journey
Reply With Quote
  #380   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-18-2014, 10:00 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Geoff
Firstly the Work is amazing your exerience shines through it really does............

I do have a Laser printer .... but Im not into printers or computers

I do under stand a scanner /printer is the thing but Ive just bought the laser printer Im on a low pension so Im not in a position to do so at present hence the camera!!

I think I find the Artist rest a little too high in general not the angle!! and Im tending to have to work with it really close to me to reach the paper!!

Can you work flat or propped up on a book or wood etc!!

Kind Regard Mike

PS Manage to buy two 2mm tape nibs and prpoer Calligraphyb ink this afternoon
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #381   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-18-2014, 05:05 PM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Repeat Exercise

Lesson One

FETTLE...LITTLE...HILT

Kind Regards Mike
Attached Images
  
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #382   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-19-2014, 01:59 AM
dgford's Avatar
dgford dgford is offline
Enthusiast
Sydney, Australia
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,898
 
Hails from Australia
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Mike, you are a tough nut to crack ! Actually, a great but interesting challenge in online teaching.

Look at your last line with the three words. Look very closely at the letters T and especially at the beginning of each top horizontal stroke. Place a ruler very carefully lined up to the slope of the beginnings. Draw a pencil line along the ruler. Draw a perfectly vertical line to that pencil line and then, from the same spot, draw a perfectly horizontal line.

Now estimate where that sloped line is pointing in clock-face terms. I reckon it is not far off 1 o'clock — and that is a 60 degree pen-angle not a thirty degree ! Which means that your pen handle is too far to the right — or (and this could be the culprit habit which I hadn't thought of before) you are writing to the left of your body centre . And that is easy to correct. Always write in the area from in front of the breast-bone to the right nipple.

As soon as we have together conquered this, your progress will absolutely leap ahead. And, boy-o-boy are we looking forward to that !!!

Fingers crossed
Geoff
__________________
Success is a Journey
Reply With Quote
  #383   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-19-2014, 03:48 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgford
Mike, you are a tough nut to crack ! Actually, a great but interesting challenge in online teaching.

Look at your last line with the three words. Look very closely at the letters T and especially at the beginning of each top horizontal stroke. Place a ruler very carefully lined up to the slope of the beginnings. Draw a pencil line along the ruler. Draw a perfectly vertical line to that pencil line and then, from the same spot, draw a perfectly horizontal line.

Now estimate where that sloped line is pointing in clock-face terms. I reckon it is not far off 1 o'clock — and that is a 60 degree pen-angle not a thirty degree ! Which means that your pen handle is too far to the right — or (and this could be the culprit habit which I hadn't thought of before) you are writing to the left of your body centre . And that is easy to correct. Always write in the area from in front of the breast-bone to the right nipple.

As soon as we have together conquered this, your progress will absolutely leap ahead. And, boy-o-boy are we looking forward to that !!!

Fingers crossed
Geoff

Absolute right Geoff Just did the lines bang on 1.o o clock!!!! Never said it was gonna be easy teaching me lol ......but Im a Good Student

Will try keeping the arm a little straighter and moving from the Elbow!!

Then adapt to Chest centere to right nipple............Will repeat the Exercise using this method [ I think now is a good time also to get used to my dip Pen] just as well do it right first off

I have a Question Geoff...........my Good Lady is buying me an Inexpensive
All in one Printer with a scanner..........for my Birthday 26 April

How do you get it from the Writing Table to the Forum...not very Technical Im afraid!!!!!

Regards Mioke
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #384   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-19-2014, 04:00 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Geoff

Please see attachment

Absolutely confirms your finding Geoff Thank You

Mike
Attached Images
 
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #385   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-20-2014, 02:31 AM
dgford's Avatar
dgford dgford is offline
Enthusiast
Sydney, Australia
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,898
 
Hails from Australia
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Now isn't she understanding and full of empathy. Please tell her that she is wonderful.

Printer / scanners usually come with imaging programmes — as do most digital cameras. For instance, my printer/scanner is a Canon and it has its own image processing software with it. My camera is a Fuji and it also has its own imaging software.

The process is usually this — place your work on the platen of the scanner. select SCAN either on the printer controls or in the software. Follow the instructions on screen. When it comes to saving it select SAVE AS and give it a file name. I suggest that beforehand you make a new Folder with the name ROMAN MAJUSCULES and that you save all these scanned images into that folder, giving them a filename — such as Rom Maj 16-4, showing the date of saving it.

Now you should RESIZE the image so that the longer dimension is not larger than 800, and then post it as you have been doing with your photos.

Geoff
__________________
Success is a Journey
Reply With Quote
  #386   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-20-2014, 03:30 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Geoff
Many thanks

Have to wait for my Birthday Coming Saturday ....and see what software it encludes
Not being technically mind you or Salman my have to do a step by step approach but we will see

Out in the Garden today and tomorrow so will attempt the repeat exercise ASP and post when completed

Kind Regards Mike

Please Enjoy your Easter
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #387   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-20-2014, 10:20 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Geoff.../Salman

Have done letter Exercises and completed the repeat Exercise

Have been checking

[ 1 ] The Nib Angle

[ 2 ] Moving from the Elbow the draw stroke and cross stroke

[ 3 ] Have completed this Exercise with a Dip Pen!!!!!! Your Thoughts

[ 4 ] Have also moved the paper with each word

I think there at last is a little improvement.....!!!!! But await your

comments Kind Regards Mike
Attached Images
 
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote
  #388   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-21-2014, 02:12 AM
dgford's Avatar
dgford dgford is offline
Enthusiast
Sydney, Australia
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,898
 
Hails from Australia
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Your letter spacing, Mike, is spot on. Great.

Your pen-angle is almost there. I expect that when you compare the width of the vertical strokes with the width of the horizontal strokes you can see that the verticals are a fraction narrower than the horizontals. But it should be the other way around! The verticals should be slightly thicker than the horizontals. Hoe are you going to resolve that?

On a spare piece of scrap paper, try out all sorts of pen handling adjustments until you hit that correct distribution of the thicknesses. Then do the three words with your new pan handle discovery.

I reckon you will have conquered it with this new session. So I will say "hooray" now !

I have just discovered where it is that you live. What is it — about an hour's drive to Rotterdam? My younger brother in WW2, in the Coldstream Guards, was badly wounded by a sniper at Einhoven, through the hip and belly. But he recovered back in UK and went on to resume playing soccer, cricket and now golf.

Geoff
__________________
Success is a Journey
Reply With Quote
  #389   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-21-2014, 03:08 AM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Hi Geoff
Good Morning to you on Easter Monday
Did this Exercise before reading your post!!

Will do as instructed with the scrape paper

Uden was what we call a Dorp [ Village when we arrived here 25 years ago now a small town

Uden is on the Route From Market Garden [ The Corridor ] From Eindhoven Son et Bruegel Vehgel Ravenstein Grave Nijmegen and on to Arnhem

There they crossed what is now the John Frost Bridge to enter the City

Outside Oosterbeek was the Drop Zone

Ive absolute respect for my Country Holland in respect of the Courage and Help given to the Allied Forces during WW2.........sorry Geoff but I feel so strongly about this subject

Enjoy your Easter Monday Kind Regards Mike

[Ex Cpl 1st Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers ]
Attached Images
 
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect

Last edited by Dutchpen : 04-21-2014 at 03:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #390   Report Bad Post  
Old 04-21-2014, 12:44 PM
Dutchpen Dutchpen is offline
New Member
Uden Noord Brabant The Netherlands
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
 
Hails from Netherlands
Re: Calligraphy Online Tutorials

Hi Geoff
Just completed Letter and Word Exercises

Please See attachment Comments and guidance please

Kind Regards Mike
Attached Images
 
__________________
Sometimes its better to Listen.....than to talk

Respect
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:20 PM.


Copyright 1998-2013, F+W Media, Inc. All Rights Reserved.