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January 25, 2020 at 8:38 am #483130
I am not sure I am submitting this correctly, but here goes.
I want to experiment with affixing some pieces of canvas pad sheets (not paper) to canvas panel in a foray into abstraction. I am wondering, IF this can be done. What one would use to affix said sheet pieces to panel and will this be archival?
Anyone?
Thanks,
katepmJanuary 25, 2020 at 9:53 am #937480I think you can use white glue (but this can cause things to warp when it dries), or a glue stick (less of a warpage problem, but not as good gluing power).
I don’t see why this wouldn’t be archival, as long as you use archival glue.
January 25, 2020 at 9:55 am #937476Not sure I fully understand your thoughts. When I want to paint of a flexible surface, I tape it to the back of something like a larger canvas board, and paint away.
If you want it permanently affixed, use a same-size canvas panel, and coat your sheet and front of the canvas panel with matte medium, put ’em together, and let ’em dry.
January 25, 2020 at 10:12 pm #937477If you use PVA glue, you may not want to use Elmers or normal school glue. You need a Ph neutral, archival quality glue, like this one.
An acrylic medium — or even acrylic gesso — will work well, although you need one of those rubber-roller-burnisher thingies. (I forget the proper name.) Even if you are very careful, there is some possibility of “bubbles” forming between the canvas pad sheets and the substrata.
January 26, 2020 at 1:09 pm #937485I use diluted bookbinding glue and a rolling pin.
January 26, 2020 at 7:21 pm #937481The material recommended by art conservators are the heat activated and removable adhesives such as Beva 371, Versamount and a few others. A heat mounting press is ideal but it can be done with an iron as shown in the first video or a press in the second one. Both videos show using film adhesives but Beva 371 and others can be purchased in a liquid form which you brush on both surfaces and let it dry, then heat seal them together with an iron or a press.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzY1Yh4Y-PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be5gkpco1kg
I have used PVA, white glue, acrylic medium etc. but they do not work as well as the adhesives above.
January 27, 2020 at 1:37 am #937478After watching the video demonstrating Beva film, I’m convinced that this would be the ideal solution. But prepare for sticker shock: Over a hundred bucks for a 27″ x 20″ sheet of film. If one is creating an abstract piece by affixing many sheets to canvas panel — well, for many of us, the ideal approach would not be the practical approach.
Added note: “Sticker shock.” I just now realized that I made an unforgivable pun.
January 27, 2020 at 12:04 pm #937482After watching the video demonstrating Beva film, I’m convinced that this would be the ideal solution. But prepare for sticker shock: Over a hundred bucks for a 27″ x 20″ sheet of film. If one is creating an abstract piece by affixing many sheets to canvas panel — well, for many of us, the ideal approach would not be the practical approach.
Added note: “Sticker shock.” I just now realized that I made an unforgivable pun.
Not sure where you found that price or maybe the 20″ was a typo? I paid $90 for an entire 27″ wide x 20 FOOT long roll of Beva 371 that would do sixty
9×12 paintings at a cost of $1.50 each. There are less expensive liquids and films than the Beva brand that are heat activated and work well. If I can find links to some of the cheaper ones I will post them.January 27, 2020 at 12:17 pm #937483Here is a video showing how to do this with a heat activated liquid adhesive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ExXyevSxo
The Lamin-All he uses in the video is cheaper than Beva 371 gel. – $57 / gallon vs $80 or so for the Beva.
https://www.artistsupplysource.com/product/126765/gal-1-gal-permanent-model-t95002-price-per-each/
Though I have never tried it, some folks here on WC use clear acrylic medium in the same way as the Lamin-All, applying to both surfaces then bonding heat from an iron or heat mounting press. You can get that stuff for under $42 / gallon. You will get a better bond and it will be easier if you use heat rather than trying to glue it down in the liquid state.
January 27, 2020 at 2:06 pm #937479Contumacious: Did I mis-read? Apologies! Looks like we’re back in the realm of affordability.
January 27, 2020 at 4:48 pm #937484Contumacious: Did I mis-read? Apologies! Looks like we’re back in the realm of affordability.
Based on the wide range of pricing for quite a few things on the internet, I never know what to expect for the high to low for an item, but, yeah, that seemed a bit too high.
Though I haven’t used it I have seen good reports from quite a few places on Lamin-All which appears to be the lowest price gel / liquid I have found. It is close to the same price as a gallon of artist quality PVA adhesive like Lineco and should work better than the PVA for adhering canvas to panels since it is reversible. When I have heated PVA glue in some testing to try to remove a canvas it didn’t soften but actually turned dry and sort of flaky.
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