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Old 07-20-2019, 02:38 PM
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

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I haven't used the erengi oil pastels, so I can't give you my opinion of them. However, I think that which brand to use is a personal preference, and what works for other people might not work for you. The best advice I can give you is to buy a few sticks from a few brands and try them out. Take into consideration things like your budget, the temperature where you live ( I live in a hot and humid place and during summer, my senneliers are unmanageable), and how easy it'll be to buy the sticks in open stock.
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Thanks for sharing your insight, Tali

I expect to work in 2 main ways:

1. Lots of layering/scraping for plein air/sketching and practice, as that seems like a more direct way of using the OPS. So I figure need to have OPs that can layer relatively well. I'm aiming for something within the vein of Isabel Chatelin, Robin Miller-Bookhout, Maria aka Laura Verde on deviant art (my god her sketchbook op studies are my art goals), Louise Gillard, Carol L. Zack, and Aleda O'Connor.

2. For more detailed studio work, working first from a detailed drawing and using more of a "tiling" method with the ops, kind of like gouache, with colored pencils for super fine details. Not as many layers or scraping. Some artists whose work I enjoy greatly in this vein is Stephanie Neely, Ester Roi, Juli Podstolski, Jenna Koenning, Russ Mackenson, David Berridge, Brian Owens, and Mary Ann Currier. This wouldn't be too far from what I've been practicing/learning with botanical art for the last couple of years, just need to learn how to use OP for it

Since I am an American itenerant who travels around Europe all year round, I have to be pretty practical about supplies and load up whenever I'm in a good location. What does look to be readily available in most "major" European countries (UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Austria, etc.) is Sennelier ops and Caran D'Ache products. Holbein, Sakura Cray Pas, and Mungyo aren't consistently available and often the prices vascilate between affordable and outrageous.

And... I am next travelling to Montenegro and Croatia for a few months at a time... And neither have great access to good art supplies (unless you're an oil/acrylic/wc painter, and even then the supplies are limited) and shipping to either country isn't predictable. I'd take more chances with Croatia since I've had pretty good experiences with their postal service, but my visits to Montenegro have shown me how undependable their postal system can be.

So I basically have a few weeks to load up on supplies and settle with whatever I can get before I leave! Then in a few months I can repeat the process when I'm in one of the more "major" European Countries.

Hence, why I am asking everyone for opinions! Because I really only have one shot to try to get decent materials to play with, and then I have to live with it for the next several months.

Thank you for the warm welcome!
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

I have found that my supply of paper dwindles much faster than the op's. That shouldn't be a problem for you though as you could use various makes of paper.
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I have found that my supply of paper dwindles much faster than the op's. That shouldn't be a problem for you though as you could use various makes of paper.

Yes, thankfully I can grab paper pretty easily even in Montenegro. Even so, I've already got a nice pile of birch panels, a pot of colourfix primer, a roll of Arches hot press, and a roll of Fabriano Accademia. So I am pretty set... for now unless I become a prolific volume painter, like Rich! But with work kind of standing in the way of that, I think I'll be okay for a few months
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

Well, if you're in Europe you will have a very nice selection of OPs to choose from. I love both the Senneliers and the neopastels. While the senneliers are creamier and softer (people say they are lipsticky and I'd say it's a pretty accurate description of them), the neopastels are very smooth but a bit firmer. Personally I prefer the neopastels. I use many layers with (rather) fine details and I feel they work better for me. The senneliers are good for making thick application and textures (like impasto) and might work well for your needs. I wouldn't cry too hard about the lack of specialists and mungyos, although if you really want to try the mungyos out, I just bought a set of 48 sticks from amazon and they cost me 23$ (35$ with shipping). The mungyos are pretty nice, similar to neopastels but they crumble a bit and I wasn't to gaga about their color range. The holbeins ARE really nice, but they are expensive and similar in texture to the neopastels.
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

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Well, if you're in Europe you will have a very nice selection of OPs to choose from. I love both the Senneliers and the neopastels. While the senneliers are creamier and softer (people say they are lipsticky and I'd say it's a pretty accurate description of them), the neopastels are very smooth but a bit firmer. Personally I prefer the neopastels. I use many layers with (rather) fine details and I feel they work better for me. The senneliers are good for making thick application and textures (like impasto) and might work well for your needs. I wouldn't cry too hard about the lack of specialists and mungyos, although if you really want to try the mungyos out, I just bought a set of 48 sticks from amazon and they cost me 23$ (35$ with shipping). The mungyos are pretty nice, similar to neopastels but they crumble a bit and I wasn't to gaga about their color range. The holbeins ARE really nice, but they are expensive and similar in texture to the neopastels.

I've been able to test a few of both the senneliers and neopastels, and I love them both! No doubt they are going to be part of my collection. I can order from Jackson's and have them delivered in a few days flat, so will do that sometime next week.

I don't want to get them in too early because then I won't be able to resist the temptation to play with them--and I have some serious work to complete before I move!

My will power against new art supplies... is basically non-existent

I spoke to an American friend today, and she says I can send the Mungyo and Specialists to her, and she'll re-post them to me. Which means I could potentially have them both in about 10-14 days.

I had been saving up for the last 6 months for a full set of Unison pastels ($1500 )... only to find out that soft pastels were the culprit behind some serious allergy and sinus flair ups.

Sooooo... I have a bit of play money to work with, and I love to compare different brands/colors against one another. If it works out, timing-wise, I'll have a few different brands to play with. (You should see my watercolor swatchbook )

Except Holbein... because woweee I can't understand spending that money for smaller sticks that are hard to source and replace when I'm hopping from country to country.
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

It sounds like you will be very busy, but you'll have a wonderful array of OP's to play with while you're moving around. Like Christel, I was going to suggest making sure you were well-stocked in paper but it sounds like that's less of an issue.

Have fun! Looking forward to seeing your new work, as time permits.
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

Hi Amaya. Welcome from me also. What a great discussion you've started. So many great ideas and hints.

I'm going go look for those Q-tips. I'm still hunting for a way to make clean lines.
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

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Hi Amaya. Welcome from me also. What a great discussion you've started. So many great ideas and hints.

I'm going go look for those Q-tips. I'm still hunting for a way to make clean lines.

Hi Jennie! Thank you for the warm welcome

I went into the Oil Pastel WIP forum last night and found a LOVELY step-by-step tutorial by a member named Sammie, and she gives a great process for doing details.

She basically lays the pastel within a shape, but not very close to the edges, then uses a hard color shaper to move and blend the pastel up to the edges... And then uses oil-based colored pencils to clean up any lines and do very fine details.

This is all on a surface she treated with Art Spectrum Colourfix primer.

Here's the thread: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575945

I hope that helps!
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Re: Newbie with a couple of questions :)

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It sounds like you will be very busy, but you'll have a wonderful array of OP's to play with while you're moving around. Like Christel, I was going to suggest making sure you were well-stocked in paper but it sounds like that's less of an issue.

Have fun! Looking forward to seeing your new work, as time permits.

It's an interesting lifestyle, but I'm never bored

Hopefully I'll have some time to play this upcoming weekend! If so, I'll post some more pics up.

Thank you so much for your encouragement
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