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Old 09-04-2018, 10:56 PM
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Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

First layer of the underpainting down. There is still quite a bit to darken but I didn't want to paint too thickly. Any drawback to using Gamblin Fast matte white in the grissaile? I have some on order.



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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

Nice start. Lovely warm earth is a good place to start, especially with a horse.

You need more subtle transitions - for example that zigzag line leading down to the nose looks like a cavern. Same with that line going from under eye down to the zig zag thing - instead of a subtle vein it looks like another cavern.
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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

Thank you. It's a cast shadow on the bottom edge behind the nostril, so rather sharp, but I do need to soften the top edge. It will have to happen in the next layer since the paint is dry there now and it has to go a bit lighter. Under the eye is not a subtle vein. It's the edge of the facial crest, a very sharp plane change where the lower jaw muscle attaches.

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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

The horse is beautiful!
Great shadows...
I'm trying to draw horses at this time..."try" is the operative word.
I want to see your work in final stage.
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It's a very good start. Captures the likeness well.
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Im anxious to see the future layers
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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

Wrapped up the underpainting and added a hint of white to the blaze.

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The horse is beautiful!
Great shadows...
I'm trying to draw horses at this time..."try" is the operative word.
I want to see your work in final stage.
Thank you!

Check out Marion Tubiana. She has some timelapses on Youtube that are stunning. Like Schmidt says, it's all just putting the right color in the right place.
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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

Fantastic really very good.
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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

Grisaille mostly done. I probably should have just stuck with direct painting for this one since the colors are rather simple, but I'm curious to see if the extra steps are worthwhile... Luminanace and depth.

Color in this photo is a bit off/hazy.

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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

This is looking good, I came in late but would have suggested making the underpainting a lot lighter, that way you could build up more interesting color variation in the glazes. The way you are now requires more opaques (and use of white) in the layers over it. An interesting intermediary step is building up a dead layer (pure white/black) over the umber (or sienna) layer. This does a couple things for the artist, allows refinement of the shapes and details, and give more variety to the darks. I like the bits of warms that peek through though, adds a lot of interest to the image.
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This is looking good, I came in late but would have suggested making the underpainting a lot lighter, that way you could build up more interesting color variation in the glazes. The way you are now requires more opaques (and use of white) in the layers over it. An interesting intermediary step is building up a dead layer (pure white/black) over the umber (or sienna) layer. This does a couple things for the artist, allows refinement of the shapes and details, and give more variety to the darks. I like the bits of warms that peek through though, adds a lot of interest to the image.
Thank you! You might have been typing this as I posted the grisaille.
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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

Our own WFMartin does indirect method painting frequently, if you look up his threads you will see a very light value range grisaille done in just black and white usually. I like the warm layers that peek through personally, but it is not a requirement to incredibly colorful finished works. It really depends on the finished look one desires, I like variety in the final colors as it feels a bit more lovely than a perfect gradient, but even that can be achieved with glazes that do not fully overlap each other, so different ways to achieve similar results.
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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

First glaze of color on the face.

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Re: Thoroughbred Portrait Indirect Method

Yes, the grisaille was too dark and the glazes looked too dark and dull. My last portrait was a black horse and it stayed pretty cool gray in the highlights, I didn't account for how much darker the warm browns would turn this one. It provided a good color map for overpainting though and some addition of cadmium yellow around the muzzle really made it glow.

A few wet passages here photographing darker, but it's just about complete.

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