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Old 03-18-2007, 10:56 PM
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Question A question of paper

I was just wondering what sort of paper the old masters of watercolours used. Details of the ground/support (I don't know the correct technical term) are almost always given when it's an oil painting (oil on canvas/linen/wood...) but I can't seem to find that information when it comes to watercolours. Why is this so? What did Durer paint on? Or Turner?

Would be grateful if anybody here could give me some information or links.
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Re: A question of paper

You may get some information from

"The Art Forger's Handbook" by Eric Hebborn, published by Cassell about 10 or 15 years ago.

Hebborn was a self confessed art forger, born in London, and later moved to Rome. He specialised in forging drawings and sketches from the Renaissance period up to the 20th century. His technique was to buy antiquarian books from the period he was forging, and draw on the blank front and end papers. He used a simple home made ink (Ox gall or Oak gall ?) which was used in the middle ages. This meant that his materials resembled those used by the original artists, and chemical analysis would be unabled to tell the difference.

I should imagine both Durer and Turner would have painted watercolours on paper. You should be able to get more info on Turner by finding a good biography.
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Old 03-22-2007, 05:18 AM
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Re: A question of paper

A response at long last! Thanks, Keith for that interesting bit of information.

The reason why I'm intrigued is that there's such care taken nowadays with the kind of paper that's used: the weight, whether it's acid free, should it be sized and so on. So it made me wonder whether things were different in the past, and I get the feeling they may have been, considering there's hardly any discussion about the wc ground in olden days as compared to the ground in other media.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:29 AM
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Re: A question of paper

Mithil, I put j m w turner watercolour techniques into Google and came up with this excellent site:

www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/artist05.html

It's got all the details you need about Turner's watercolour techniques.
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Old 03-23-2007, 06:14 AM
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Re: A question of paper

Thanks once again, Keith. That was an excellent site.

For those who may be interested in knowing more about watercolour paper and how to test it for its qualities, the same site has this page specifically devoted to the subject:

http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/paper3.html
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Re: A question of paper

Handprint is a great site, isn't it!

There is an interesting section on paper manufacture in the Grove Dictionary of Art: http://www.groveart.com/shared/views...065169.1 .1.1

I'm not sure if this is free access (I'm accessing it from a university), so let me know if not and I'll see if I can forward something to you.
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Re: A question of paper

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You may get some information from

"The Art Forger's Handbook" by Eric Hebborn, published by Cassell about 10 or 15 years ago.

Hebborn was a self confessed art forger, born in London, and later moved to Rome. He specialised in forging drawings and sketches from the Renaissance period up to the 20th century. His technique was to buy antiquarian books from the period he was forging, and draw on the blank front and end papers. He used a simple home made ink (Ox gall or Oak gall ?) which was used in the middle ages. This meant that his materials resembled those used by the original artists, and chemical analysis would be unabled to tell the difference.

I should imagine both Durer and Turner would have painted watezrcolours on paper. You should be able to get more info on Turner by finding a good biography.
“ the art forger’s handbook “sounds like an interesting read , may pick up a copy

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