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Old 02-23-2020, 01:14 AM
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What kind of paper is this?

I bought a sketchbook page by Joseph Zbukvic: https://www.pinterest.com/donnajmunn...vic-paintings/

It came on the most amazing paper... I asked him and he said he bought it from a small shop, and wasn't really able to provide more details.

The paper itself is literally perfect for pencil and also watercolor. The paper itself looked like it was thin enough to be in a book/sketchbook, and not nearly as thick as normal watercolor paper.

The best quality of the paper were these tiny ridges, and soft edges, almost like it was from some kind of press rather than a mass produced machine.

I then watched a video by Cesar Santos where he ownes the sketchbook of a famous Italian artist named Pietro Annigoni, and the paper looked identical.

I know Joseph paints in Italy a lot, so I'm thinking maybe this paper comes from there somewhere, or at least is popular there. Does anyone have even a vague idea what kind of paper this is or where I could get it?

I timestamped the video: https://youtu.be/OUAXPzWLHNY?t=259
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Old 02-23-2020, 06:17 PM
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Re: What kind of paper is this?

I took some photos of the actual paper (left) and saunders waterford (right), and drawing paper underneath (the very white stuff in the middle)

https://i.imgur.com/QN7CUt9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8IU1MoE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WPLsX1D.jpg

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Re: What kind of paper is this?

It reminds me of some of the 100% cotton rag handmade stuff from india. I don't think it is easy to get unless you live there but they might export it now. I think there is some handmade paper like that on blick now also. has the same texture. Pricy. I'm just guessing and going by best of my memory. It seems to me zbukvic would be getting his stuff in Australia but the sketch page you have could be something old.
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It reminds me of some of the 100% cotton rag handmade stuff from india. I don't think it is easy to get unless you live there but they might export it now. I think there is some handmade paper like that on blick now also. has the same texture. Pricy. I'm just guessing and going by best of my memory. It seems to me zbukvic would be getting his stuff in Australia but the sketch page you have could be something old.

If I had to guess I would say it's not handmade, only because the texture of it has a VERY slight plastic feel, similar to how disposable oil painting canvases are. It doesn't feel cotton, with that texture. It's almost a glossy feel

Also the date is 2017 on there
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If I had to guess I would say it's not handmade, only because the texture of it has a VERY slight plastic feel, similar to how disposable oil painting canvases are. It doesn't feel cotton, with that texture. It's almost a glossy feel

Also the date is 2017 on there
I have a hard time seeing J Zbukvic not using 100% cotton paper. There is no reason not too. It would be amateur not too. Your right it does have that texture. I thought it looked like linen. I'v seen that texture before on watercolor paper. I thought it was on some Indian handmade paper that was not exported. It has a deckle edge which would mean not cheap paper. I am sure someone on here know's.
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I have a hard time seeing J Zbukvic not using 100% cotton paper. There is no reason not too. It would be amateur not too. Your right it does have that texture. I thought it looked like linen. I'v seen that texture before on watercolor paper. I thought it was on some Indian handmade paper that was not exported. It has a deckle edge which would mean not cheap paper. I am sure someone on here know's.

Not trying to say you're wrong, but that's simply just not true. I've been to his workshops, he will literally paint on anything (and self-proclaims this as well). He will use micky mouse brushes if he has to. He regularly switches things up, and will regularly paint on crazy surfaces.

Example: I have videos of him from the workshop painting on pure plastic oil painting 'practice pads' (not the canvas kind, the kind that is pure plastic)

He told me it's a sketchbook he bought from a small shop, but didnt have more info.
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I have a hard time seeing J Zbukvic not using 100% cotton paper. There is no reason not too. It would be amateur not too. Your right it does have that texture. I thought it looked like linen. I'v seen that texture before on watercolor paper. I thought it was on some Indian handmade paper that was not exported. It has a deckle edge which would mean not cheap paper. I am sure someone on here know's.

I'll try to record a video that better shows the detail of it, that would probably help
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Re: What kind of paper is this?

I made a video that better shows it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h9dpo1n2u5..._3748.mov?dl=1

Im comparing to 300gsm suaunders waterford
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It looks like Vergé Arches laid paper:

https://www.arches-papers.com/our-pa...es-laid-paper/



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It looks like Vergé Arches laid paper:

https://www.arches-papers.com/our-pa...es-laid-paper/



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That's an awesome suggestion. That's the closest I've seen so far, but the only thing is it seems to be 120gsm, I would imagine it's thinner than that?

Did you take a look at my video? (see last post). I compare it to 300gsm, but it seems thinner than 50%.. but maybe that's now how its measured.
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Re: What kind of paper is this?

Where do I even buy that Verges? Lol, I'm trying to find upclose shots but the fraying on the right sheet of paper in your example looks nearly identical, its thin enough to actually fray. I can't seem to find where I can buy a pad though to see for sure
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Re: What kind of paper is this?

I emailed them a couple of years ago and was told to contact Legion Paper who is their distributor in the US. This was their reply. Maybe they can special order it:

We used to stock and still have some of the cream with no deckles 26x40 120gsm. No one here in the US really stock or sells this paper any longer, but we’d be happy to sell it you.

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Re: What kind of paper is this?

I'm almost positive this would have been the sketchbook. It's only 70 lb. I've never seen any other laid paper like it except Strathmore charcoal paper which is 64 lb. You'd have to work pretty dry.

https://www.jerrysartarama.com/arches-sketch-paper

https://www.arches-papers.com/our-pa...etching-paper/

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I'm almost positive this would have been the sketchbook. It's only 70 lb. I've never seen any other laid paper like it except Strathmore charcoal paper which is 64 lb. You'd have to work pretty dry.

https://www.jerrysartarama.com/arches-sketch-paper

https://www.arches-papers.com/our-pa...etching-paper/

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Dude, awesome! Did you by chance get to look at the video? I'm stoked to get to try this
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I couldn't get the video to show, only the audio.

I hope it's the right paper! At least it's fairly inexpensive to try. It should be very nice for graphite and charcoal if it's too light for watercolor, but it says felt pen, so it will take some moisture. I'd put a piece of Yupo or something similar under the sheet you're using to keep it from soaking through.

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