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Old 02-02-2020, 12:52 PM
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Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

I tend to prefer mixing my own colors. Watercolors are still new to me, though, so I am experimenting. Gray here is a mix of an Aureolin yellow, a Rose Madder, and a Cobalt blue. My objective is making it lively - not flat and lifeless. It might be too much for something military.

I toss this out as a fishing expedition...curious to know Jimís palette on gray. Particularly very light grays.

This is the USS Zumwalt (DD1000) - our dubious stealth destroyer (which is as big as a cruiser and prone to engine and electrical failure) on a strip of 5x10 paper (remnant) I had for such playing.

The sea is Payneís with a touch of ultra-marine.

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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

My Grey Base. Payneís Grey and White ( usually Gouache ) touch of Blue most often Indigo, but can be lighter, all depends on the picture. The main thing is remember it gets lighter as it recedes, and shape and form has to be shown with light and dark ( Think of a ships funnel )
The ship is almost central, and the shape of the ship echoes the composition! I will watch with interest.
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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

The photo makes it look redder than it is. I have to work on my tech - seems a common refrain of late.

Zumwaltís an interesting ship. They have laser and rail gun designs for her if they can lick the gremlins.
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My Grey Base. Payneís Grey and White ( usually Gouache ) touch of Blue most often Indigo, but can be lighter, all depends on the picture. The main thing is remember it gets lighter as it recedes, and shape and form has to be shown with light and dark ( Think of a ships funnel )
The ship is almost central, and the shape of the ship echoes the composition! I will watch with interest.
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Great to know. I will play with combinations.
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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

I like your grays.
Grays are challenging in watercolor, as you mentioned it's tough to keep the mixtures lively. The slightly violet tone is a nice contrast to the blue-gray of the water. Your warm and cool sky colors are spot-on.

I switched to oils partially out of frustration controlling grays in low chromas and value.
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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

Hi, Ted,

Thanks. I always walk a fine line between keep a painting accurate and having pop. I did an Apache helicopter once that an Apache pilot I know loved (and bought), but was not (by any stretch) mimicking a photo.

Zumwalt is new and has extraordinary clean lines. An fully accurate rendering might be boring. That said, none of Jimís paintings are boring and his a spot on correct.

He tells a story with his water, the activity around the ship, etc. I need to get better at that. But I do like my vibrant grays.

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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

This might help. Maybe not as 'pretty' a colour Grey, but any ex USN person would know it. During WW2 some ships were painted 'Mountbatten Pink' it was said t make ships almost disappear in dawn light
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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

Do you use quite a bit of pigment - as in nearly straight from the tube - to get the smooth and solid colors you show?
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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

I use various thicknesses, only full thickness White Gouache for foam. I use the same painting technique for Oil Acrylic Gouache and w/c. Why I say Iím not 'a Watercolourist' I just paint with watercolour paints.
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Re: Playing with grays - USS Zumwalt.

Got it. I was experimenting and find the thicker gouache mixed into watercolor gives it that nice even color that I see in your work...the gray does not look like a wash when lightened, but light gray.

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