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Old 12-10-2019, 05:18 AM
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Self portrait

Hello, I'm struggling with OP and paper...

I've just tried a self portrait using Mungyo OP on "C à grains" paper (by Canson).
I'm not convinced at all : I obtain some kind of wax spots everywhere when I try to blend the layers.

Two options :
1/ This paper isn't good for OP (I'm experimenting with all I have)
2/ I don't layer the right way.

I guess I won't be able to choose between 1 and 2 before I find a GOOD paper ! lol

Here is the photo reference :


and my WIP :


And here is a close view of some "wax spots" :
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:28 AM
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Re: Self portrait

Looking great already! Your op layer is rather thin. That's why you see the op's making spots. You can add more op until your blending is smooth on that textured paper. If you still have problems with getting a smooth look, you might try to use minute amounts of white oil paint to help with the blending, using a tortillion or a bristle brush. More color can be added on top of the white to prevent a pasty look.
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:34 AM
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Re: Self portrait

Hello Christel, thank you but I don't manage to add more layers ! When I try and blend it, all the color I've just put on go to my finger : it won't stay on the top of the former layer(s).
I don't understand what's wrong with me, I had the same issue with the OP painting I made last week. :-(

This paper has far much more teeth than the other one I tried, so...
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:59 PM
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Re: Self portrait

You have a beautiful likeness already with your self portrait.

I'm sorry you're struggling with finding a good paper/op combination. I do agree with Christel that the OP layer looks thin. My experience with Mungyos is that they layer quite well. This is the Mungyo Gallery Soft Artist op, to be clear. Typically, they will not pull off the paper when layers are added.

It could be the paper, though texture is usually the friend of op's. In your op arsenal, do you have any kind of clear blending stick? These are colorless op's that only add more oil and wax to the paper, and can really make blending easier when adding more layers. I'm not sure Mungyo makes one. I have a Sennelier one, and one from Sakura CrayPas, and a little goes a long way.

I hope you don't become so discouraged that you put them aside, because you're putting out lovely work despite the troubles.
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Re: Self portrait

There is another trick you could try. Take a sharpish tortillion or a folded piece of card, using the point, and blend in small circular motions. If the op comes off again you just press it down into the paper.
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Old 12-11-2019, 03:50 AM
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Re: Self portrait

Thank you Terri ! I'm a bit discouraged yes, but I can be really stubborn sometimes, so I'm going to focuse on watercolor again, and to pause the OP for a while.
I should try expensive papers made for pastels, but I've to go to town to buy some. I prefer to let it turn in my mind ...

Hi Christel : already tried ! I tried everything I could imagine : tortillon, kitchen paper, cotton tip, turpentine...
But thank you for the idea nevertheless !
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Old 12-12-2019, 02:38 PM
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Re: Self portrait

Well... I changed my mind because I didn't manage to let it wait like that ! lol

Here is my "improvment" of this thing...

I've some problems with the throat, and ear and hair are not finished as one can see, but I put a lot of OP¨this time, in thick layers, and I think I'm beginning to understand how it works.




You can see the picture in a larger size (and zoom to see the thickness) here : https://i25.servimg.com/u/f25/11/02/40/00/img_2028.jpg

Thank you in advance for your advices !

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Re: Self portrait

Great going!
If you've added too much grey/black then you can carefully scrape back some of the color and add more op.
For the hair - you could always try and scratch into the op layers to reveal the underlying color.
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Old 12-13-2019, 02:15 AM
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Re: Self portrait

Thank you for this idea ! I was wondering how one could obtain this "foolish hair", around the ear for instance...
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Re: Self portrait

This is just beautiful. The eyes have so much depth and feeling to them. Wow!
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Thanks Hootenanny !
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Marvelous, Frederique! You have conveyed a very thoughtful expression also.

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Old 12-15-2019, 10:59 AM
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Re: Self portrait

Frederique, this portrait is fantastic!!! what size is it?
Great likeness and I can tell you will do many beautiful paintings with OPs!

I've left a comment in your previous thread about your Mungyos. Could you post your OPs box and the stick? I can't tell if you got the artist grade ones or not.
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Old 12-15-2019, 11:58 AM
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Re: Self portrait

Thank you everyone ! :-)

Yes Mira, I've just seen your posts, and I posted a photo on the other thread !

On this self portrait, I CAN'T add any more layer, and it's frustrating because it needs large adjustments in values.

I tried to take a photo to show precisely what I mean by "kind of wax spots" :
it's not like the wax bloom wax color pencils make (I've been drawing with CP for years, and it's not the same thing, at all). It's a pile of colored wax that move and stay in pile !



Do you see on the yellow hat the piles of wax+pigment ?
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Old 12-15-2019, 01:57 PM
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Re: Self portrait

Maybe you can try to scrape back? That spot where you can't add any more OPs, but you want to change the values - you can try to use a scraper (anything would do, even an old credit card ) and scrape off the top layers back to the first layer, then add some more OPs.

Yes, I see the spot you're talking about. It looks very familiar. I started out using cheap student grade OPs which were very hard (harder than student grade Mungyos), and in comparison it looked like this:

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