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November 8, 2017 at 12:02 pm #995368
Which of Michael Harding’s (light or dark) or Vasari’s Genuine Naples Yellow, is more versatile, for portraits and landscapes?
MH’s Genuine Naple’s yellow light, on photos, looks very similar to a cadmium hue.
If you could buy just one of these three options, which one would you choose? reasons?
Thank you
November 9, 2017 at 9:26 am #1273485For my use, I would choose either Michael Hardings or Old Holland. Hardings, for both color and price, but I am familiar with Old Holland’s quality.
I don’t have any Vasari, but I don’t like the color in the swatches.I don’t have any Hardings, but planned to buy some, and I like the “softness” of his color over OH.
But I like the OH, so maybe OH. :confused:
So, when I buy paint again, if I need NY PBr 24, I might choose Hardings. :thumbsup:
Or Old Holland. LOLNovember 9, 2017 at 12:04 pm #1273482So, when I buy paint again, if I need NY PBr 24, I might choose Hardings. :thumbsup:
Or Old Holland. LOLPbr24 is Chromium Titanate Yellow. It isn’t genuine Napels Yellow! You can choose Rublev Naples yellow paint. https://www.naturalpigments.com/naples-yellow-lead-antimonate-oil-paint.html
November 9, 2017 at 5:57 pm #1273486Gigaglot, many thanks…
Sadly, I will still have to go for either Harding’s or Old Holland’s PBr 24, and now I’m leaning to OH!Here’s an interesting thread: March, 2009: Genuine Naples Yellow and PBr24 Comparison
https://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7653960
Gunzorro (I don’t think he posts here anymore) says, in part,
“Harding Naples Yellow — I rate this sample as the best of the choices shown here. Chroma is intense and tinting strength is unsurpassed. Wonderful orange hue in the tints. If I were to choose two from this selection, it would be Vasari’s Tuscan Yellow at the top, and Harding’s Naples Yellow at the bottom…”
(This was written several years ago.)November 10, 2017 at 5:49 am #1273484Gigaglot, many thanks…
Sadly, I will still have to go for either Harding’s or Old Holland’s PBr 24, and [I]now[/I] I’m leaning to OH!Here’s an interesting thread: March, 2009: Genuine Naples Yellow and PBr24 Comparison
[url]https://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7653960[/url]
Gunzorro (I don’t think he posts here anymore) says, in part,
“Harding Naples Yellow — I rate this sample as the best of the choices shown here. Chroma is intense and tinting strength is unsurpassed. Wonderful orange hue in the tints. If I were to choose two from this selection, it would be Vasari’s Tuscan Yellow at the top, and Harding’s Naples Yellow at the bottom…”
(This was written several years ago.)I remember this old tread, that happened 7-8 years ago! Unfortunatelly, Gunzorro changed his work where he was able to compare a lot of paint tubes in his art shop!
PY53 and PY216 Nickel Titanate and Nickel-Tin-Zinc titanate are also gorgeous Naples yellow substitutes, light yellow and orange yellow.November 10, 2017 at 7:03 am #1273491Gigaglot, many thanks…
Sadly, I will still have to go for either Harding’s or Old Holland’s PBr 24, and [I]now[/I] I’m leaning to OH!Here’s an interesting thread: March, 2009: Genuine Naples Yellow and PBr24 Comparison
[url]https://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7653960[/url]
Gunzorro (I don’t think he posts here anymore) says, in part,
“Harding Naples Yellow — I rate this sample as the best of the choices shown here. Chroma is intense and tinting strength is unsurpassed. Wonderful orange hue in the tints. If I were to choose two from this selection, it would be Vasari’s Tuscan Yellow at the top, and Harding’s Naples Yellow at the bottom…”
(This was written several years ago.)Thank you for this info. Which of the Michael Harding Naples Yellows was he referring to? MH makes two versions, the light and the dark. Which do you recommend?
November 10, 2017 at 8:55 pm #1273478I love the Old Holland Naples Yellow Deep Extra (PBr24). I’ve compared it to two other artist grade brands of PBr24 and the others, although nice, aren’t nearly as strong as the OH version. Where it doesn’t matter, I use the other brands. But when I really need the strength and opacity, I pull out the Old Holland version! The Harding is not among the ones I’ve tried.
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One year from now, you'll wish you had started today.November 10, 2017 at 11:26 pm #1273487Gigalot, thanks:
I will see if I can find who makes these (USA) to look.
PY53 and PY216 Nickel Titanate and Nickel-Tin-Zinc titanate are also gorgeous Naples yellow substitutes, light yellow and orange yellow.November 10, 2017 at 11:35 pm #1273488Thank you for this info. Which of the Michael Harding Naples Yellows was he referring to? MH makes two versions, the light and the dark. Which do you recommend?
I have no idea. On Blick’s website, there is only one harding’s Naples yellow,
PBr24—Chrome Antimony Titanate
Old Hollands deep extra is the same, slightly different color
the Naples Yellow Extra This color contains the following pigments:
PW4—Zinc White
PW6—Titanium White
PY42—Mars Orange
so you might be able to mix that one.
Maybe harding has 2 on his website.November 11, 2017 at 2:26 am #1273483I like “light yellow” version of paint because I can mix a color of dark version with bright PY42. Some of modern PY42 have very improved color that can match Naples yellow dark.
Harding also have gorgeous “Lemon yellow” color made from Barium-Potassium Chromate pigment. He said himself, that it is a color with unique mixing properties he can’t work without I guess, his “Lemon Yellow” is “lead-tin yellow” in color. This “Lemon yellow” isn’t expensive.November 11, 2017 at 10:27 am #1273489I agree with Gigalot.
November 11, 2017 at 10:27 am #1273479The Rembrandt Naples Yellow Light (Also PBr24) is really nice too. In terms of consistency, it’s not as thick and pigment-loaded as the Old Holland, but the price point is better! I can paint a few samples of the ones I have and post a photo for comparisons, if anybody is interested.
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Hudson Valley Sketches -- Reviews/Lightfastness Tests/Art Materials [/url]
One year from now, you'll wish you had started today.November 11, 2017 at 2:27 pm #1273490Rembrandt’s is a mix of three pigments: PW4—Zinc White
PY154—Benzimidazolone Yellow and PBr24—Chrome Antimony Titanate. $15I prefer single pigment paint when I do buy, if I can.
I won’t buy Harding’s genuine Naples Yellow $61 until I’m much better at painting, but their Naples Yellow PBr24—Chrome Antimony Titanate
is only a bit more than Rembrandt’s mix.November 11, 2017 at 4:37 pm #1273480Rembrandt’s is a mix of three pigments: PW4—Zinc White
PY154—Benzimidazolone Yellow and PBr24—Chrome Antimony Titanate. $15I prefer single pigment paint when I do buy, if I can.
I won’t buy Harding’s [I][U]genuine[/U] Naples Yellow[/I] $61 until I’m much better at painting, but their Naples Yellow PBr24—Chrome Antimony Titanate
is only a bit more than Rembrandt’s mix.Mine is not a mix; however, I see the name is Yellow Ochre Light, and not “Naples Yellow Light” as I had stated. My apologies! Definitely has that Naples Yellow PBr24 color though, and it’s single pigment:
Hudson Valley Painter[/url]
Hudson Valley Sketches -- Reviews/Lightfastness Tests/Art Materials [/url]
One year from now, you'll wish you had started today.November 11, 2017 at 4:52 pm #1273493The rembrandt Yellow Ochre Light PBr24 is lighter in value, but much more transparent than the W&N Naples Yellow Deep PBr24 which is very opaque even when mixed with medium.
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