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Old 08-02-2003, 12:57 PM
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Thank you for all of the info provided on this subject. I have a lot of homework to do. I think I am going to slip on over to the library and see what I can find on the subject and dig a little deeper. The names help a lot. I think this will be a good starting point.

Whelan is someone that I am very familiar with. I used to go to the Whelan gallery on the North Shore of Oahu and spend an hour just browsing and listening to them tell me about them. I am sure that I frustrated a lot of the sales people in there. There were a few other artists works in there besides just Whelan. One in particular did a beautiful pegasus (a subject I adore) and I wish I would have kept track of the name, since I have a little more money and would have loved to get a print of that one. It was $2K back in 89. I am sure its probably a huge price today.

Hopefully, I will come back from the library with a lot more insight into surrealism. Having just a tiny bit of exposure to it, thanks to the web, I am finding myself hungry for more knowlege on the subject.
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A few subjects to research:

Andre Breton

Dada

Symbolism

Surrealism

Abstract Expressionism

Salvador Dali

Max Ernst

Man Ray

Rene Magritte

Marcel Duchamp

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Here's a few of my favorite Symbolists... The first two are my favorites.

Alfred Kubin

Odilon Redon

Arnold Bocklin

Gustave Moreau

And a few of my favorite Surrealists..

Yves Tanguy

Remedious Varo

Roberto Matta

Leonora Carrington
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Re: Surreal vs Fantasy/Sci-Fi

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Can anyone explain the difference between surreal and fantasy/sci-fi art?

Fantasy usually based on myth, ancient tale, children tale, ancient book etc, mostly dungeon n dragon or fairy tale stuff. While Surrealis is more vast and unlimited...

Surrealist
surrealist generally mean the decoupling of aspects of reality. As example, reality of object and its function. This opened whole new ground of creativism.

Example, salvador dali works. Back to 1930s a sofa is a sofa, and a phone is a phone. Dali decoupling the reality : why not phonecall using a shrimp instead of phone, and sit on a lips instead a sofa ?. Hence he create the lobster phone and mae west lips sofa.




Today we met such creative surrealist works everyday isnt it ? we just dont aware it is

Early surrealist play experimenting with creature shape too. They would make several pictures of head, several pictures of various creature torso, and various pictures of lower body and legs of various real and imaginary character. Then take it randomly or interchange it with one made by their friend. So if you watch cartoon of human body and head with octopus leg, it is surreal too actually!. Both human body exist, octopus leg is exist, but the relationship between two is new. In this case well, some myth animal is of course surrealist object too, as example, centaur.

An example of such 'decoupling of creature and its character' is in dali elephant painting. Elephant in Dali painting are very tall, dynamic animal with long leg, this is the decoupling of elephant and character 'heavy, slow, bulky'. Then it is get new meaning/character (elephant is creature that is twiggy, tall, and fast).


Do this decoupling of object/creature and its character/function with a lot of thing if your paintings : cloud that is heavy and stockpiled on the ground, trees instead that is light so it is hovering on the sky, bird that eat a tiger etc, and you got something whose components is real, but it feels like a dreams of wildest beauty and imagination which is why I love surrealist painting.

Some comics also contains surrealist theme. Example are Don Lawrence 'Storm'

Don Lawrence storm : Sailship is real, but it is became surreal because sailship function is in sea, not in space...


Japanese manga 'One Piece' also have lot of surrealism influence...
If Dali create 'Lobsterphone' in the One Piece manga there is a life-snail phone, there also cloud kingdom/flying island, flying sailship etc...



And for me, it is the most beautiful and most creative form of art, by separate object and its perceived function, you are entirely free. What exist is just beauty.

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Re: Surreal vs Fantasy/Sci-Fi

it remind me OFF THE MOVIE O+~T++TRON
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Re: Surreal vs Fantasy/Sci-Fi

I don't like to be too analytical, anyway, anywhere. But the word "fantasy art" never sounds good to describe what I do (dragons, fairies, monsters, etc.) But "Sci-Fi Art" is supposed to be scientifically based like space ships or weapons that could plausibly work. Seems we have to know all this.

I like this description: "Imagination Art", and I wish "Fantasy Art" would change to that. But, too late. The art world already has decided on it...if I want to be understood or show somewhere in a category (sigh).
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Re: Surreal vs Fantasy/Sci-Fi

It seems to me that a lot of fantasy art is illustrative or storytelling by nature, whereas Surrealism is generally about psychological states. But I could be talking through my hat.

A few interesting fantasy artists of the nineteenth century:
Henry Fuseli
Anne Anderson
Richard Dadd
John Anster Fitzgerald
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Re: Surreal vs Fantasy/Sci-Fi

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I don't like to be too analytical, anyway, anywhere. But the word "fantasy art" never sounds good to describe what I do (dragons, fairies, monsters, etc.) But "Sci-Fi Art" is supposed to be scientifically based like space ships or weapons that could plausibly work. Seems we have to know all this.

I like this description: "Imagination Art", and I wish "Fantasy Art" would change to that. But, too late. The art world already has decided on it...if I want to be understood or show somewhere in a category (sigh).

every art involve imagination that is even less describing
fantasy art usually about ancient myth or medieval fantasy....

also mixing fantasy and scifi with surrealist and symbolist stuff could result in terrific (or terrifying) art...

so we will ignore all those categorization and draw/paint what we like anyway

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Re: Surreal vs Fantasy/Sci-Fi

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It seems to me that a lot of fantasy art is illustrative or storytelling by nature, whereas Surrealism is generally about psychological states. But I could be talking through my hat.

A few interesting fantasy artists of the nineteenth century:
Henry Fuseli
Anne Anderson
Richard Dadd
John Anster Fitzgerald

yea about psychological some surrealists such as Dali try to paint the state or using their subconscious...dreams, fear etc... For others (such as rene magritte) mostly about symbolism and beyond-real painting....
not sure about yves tanguy and his wife... watching his/her paintings for a few minutes make me feel my soul very2x empty. it just... weird....
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Re: Surreal vs Fantasy/Sci-Fi

I think all this probably proves more than any else possibly could, that the notion of 'divisions' between 'difference types' of art is in itself completely arbitrary- not to mention purely imaginative (and I guess pretty surreal, while we're on the subject!) ...

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