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July 9, 2014 at 10:13 am #992045
Hello Fellow Artists and Seniors !
I have a query regarding this particular marker that I have been contemplating to use under my oil painting , right before my Imprimatura .
I am working on a project where time is a big issue hence I am using a projector for tracing a lot of details to map my sketch on the canvas .
The description says its PIGMENT BASED INK , ARCHIVAL aswell as WATERPROOF
I have also read that a lot of markers have a bed rep and tendency to bleed through . but my estimate is that those are ALCOHOL BASED Inks and this is a pigment based ink …
please also share any experience with SAKURA PIGMA MICRONS too if any
Please help !
http://creativehands.in/pens-and-markers/individuals/copic-multiliner-black-0-3.html#.U71K7bFKBjo
July 9, 2014 at 12:56 pm #1207964Hello Fellow Artists and Seniors !
please also share any experience with SAKURA PIGMA MICRONS too if any
Please help !
[url]http://creativehands.in/pens-and-markers/individuals/copic-multiliner-black-0-3.html#.U71K7bFKBjo[/url]
I draw over my initial drawing with Micron pens every time, with success. I think I may have used the Copics in the past, but not sure. Microns are definitely OK.
NEVER use a sharpie, though:)
July 9, 2014 at 1:05 pm #1207965thankyou !
Any MICRON or a particular brand ? I m sorry i have never worked with those so i donot know. i know these are the ones with tips similar to felt pens.
i ve read that its the alcohol markers that cause the bleed up and this particular COPIC LINK says that this is pigment ink .
might work might not work ! i ll definitely let you know ! thanks !
July 9, 2014 at 1:06 pm #1207966July 9, 2014 at 4:59 pm #1207962I thought I remembered Copic markers as being alcohol-based, so I looked them up, and yes, it appears they ARE alcohol-based. Sorry. They may be pigment-based instead of dye-based, but that does not mean no alcohol. Not all descriptions tell you that. I am not certain about the exact marker you are asking about, but here’s a few Copic marker links I found:
http://www.copicmarker.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/MarkerTechniques.pdf (“Marker Features At a Glance” states, “Four different styles to choose from, all filled with our dynamic Copic alcohol inks.”
Also this one: http://www.icopic.com/catalog/all-about-copic
And this one: https://www.copicmarker.com/products (look under “Paper”)As for the Sakura Pigma Micron pens such as those in your scrapbooking link, I found they are archival, water-based pigment ink pens with a resin added to make them waterproof. I think they would be much the same as using india ink under your oil paint, which I believe is fine. But I am no expert! Here are two links explaining the Microns:
http://www.craypas.com/global/products/markers/water_based_markers/pigma_micron.html,
and http://www.sakuraofamerica.com/images/stories/content_documents/pigmatechnologies-4p.pdfI will also say, the Pigma Micron pens do not (to me) have the strong chemical odor I have smelled when opening the Copic markers.
Hope this helps!-Heidi [/COLOR][/SIZE]
[/COLOR][/SIZE]July 9, 2014 at 5:11 pm #1207963Not sure if this is what you are looking for or will fit your needs – but have enjoyed drawing with these.
Faber-Castell Pitt Artist Pens
http://www.dickblick.com/products/faber-castell-pitt-artist-pens/July 22, 2014 at 12:40 am #1207960Be sure to test whichever pen you use before using on an artwork! I assumed a couple pens would work ok and used them on a commissioned painting. I ended up fighting bleed-through through multiple layers of paint! It was a nightmare and I finally had to coat the entire painting with medium (I was working in alkyds and used alkyd medium) and then basically re-paint the whole very complex scene! It was a nightmare! One pen I used that bled-through was Sharpie markers, the other, I thought was a Pigma,just can’t recall for sure, but it was listed as permanent pigment. Anyhoo, do yourself a favor…test first!
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ETSY FACEBOOK FAA EPILOGUE [/CENTER][/COLOR]July 22, 2014 at 12:45 am #1207961I just looked up that pen, it was a Stadtler Lumocolor permanent ink pen that bled-through so bad! Here’s a link to the WIP of the painting I had problems with if you are interested;
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ETSY FACEBOOK FAA EPILOGUE [/CENTER][/COLOR]July 22, 2014 at 12:46 am #1207967I bought and tested SAKURA MICRONS 14 days back and I am very very pleased with the results !!
They work extremely well as are easy to cover with the oil paints . though while using light colors of oil paints require more than one layer .
14 days is a less time to test archival so i have made and kept a sample that I will look up next year.
I let them dry for atleast 24 hours though they are dry to touch immediately as guided by ALAN .
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