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Old 09-28-2009, 05:23 PM
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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

Hi Sunface, welcome!

Me too, I've painted one painting on watercolour paper... It is OK if you cover the paper with a pastel primer, though. And choose one of the smooth wc papers, not the very grainy one I tried...

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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

I love putting a watercolor underpainting down on wc paper and then coating it with clear gesso, and continuing with the pastels, or coating as Charlie says with a primer. I like a lot of texture so that makes a difference also. Also I tone the paper if not doing an underpainting, but some do like to paint on the white surface. It is trial and error to find what you like.

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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

sunface in bill creevy's book he uses watercolor paper. thank you for bringing this up. i did not know what to do with this paper and i have lots in my cupboard. ginger
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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

Yesterday, I was at Hobby Lobby yesterday and I saw this art board. It comes in many different finishes and the display said is suitable for pastels. Pretty cool because is like paper already glued to a board. The one that had the cotton finished specially grab my attention. I did not purchase one though.Has anyone seen and or try these boards?
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Hi Sunface,
do you remember the name? There are a lot of boards out there, it could be one of many.
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Great thread Ginger....thanks. The 1st pear is my favorite. Derek
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do you remember the name? There are a lot of boards out there, it could be one of many.

Not really, I think they were Canson, but I will double check next time I go. They come in linen, bristol, vellum, and other textures.
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Hi Ginger,

I like pics 1 and 4 best.

I have tried a number of sanded surfaces and bunch of different "textured" papers. Currently I am happy with good 'ol Canson Mi-Tientes. I have only used pastels for a couple months, and while the sanded surfaces seem to provide a nice tooth with much greater layering potential, the MT paper works great for my current style - firm application minimal to no blending.

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ken! good for you to be able to use canson. i hope to revisit it when i get a handle on pastels! there are great color choices for this paper. i have seen some nice work done on it... just not mine! ha! the paper did not take many layers and as i stated over blended to a mess. i hope to see your work! ginger
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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

Great thread Ginger - thanks.

I'm still finding my way through different papers and pastels - this is great information from everyone.
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Great thread Ginger. I am also learning different kinds of paper to use with pastels and glad to see this thread.
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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

Very successful experiment, indeed.

I began on Canson with very inexpensive and hard Yarkas. I didn't have the frustration you had, but I did use the "wrong" side of the Canson and the hardness of the Yarkas made them easy to control. I progressed to Colorfix, then Wallis, which I preferred and used for several years. I'm less crazy about the Belgian Mist, especially the current browner version. I then progressed to making my own surfaces and to UArt.

Need to try the PastelMat, but I do not like the colors or strange sizes of the two pads they offer at Dakota and am not interested in five large sheets of an unknown as the alternative. Does anyone know a better way to get reasonable-sized and -numbered white PastelMat?

Several years ago, I shifted from Yarka to softer brands, got stuck with going too soft all the time (I can be spontaneous in my loose style and heavy-handed), so I've gone back to harder ones like Van Gogh and Girault, plus am waiting for a Cretacolor for the holidays. In this instance, I have "gone back" to the harder pastels like I started with.

It is absolutely lovely how many choices pastelists have these days. I am grateful to those who came before us.
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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

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My 'verdict' is that Canson, Ingres, Tiziano etc is not best for beginners. And the beauty with most of the expensive sanded and gritty papers is that you can re-use them. Just brush off the old painting and do a new one on top. In the long run, I bet that is cheaper.

Charlie

Exactly! I've been saying this for years to newbies - the learning of a new medium is struggle enough, but to be using a paper unsuitable for beginners will set them back, and some of them will even give up and think pastels are not for them!

I'm so glad you tried this experiment -
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Re: what a difference a paper makes/beginner

That's fascinating to me. I didn't start using sanded papers till I got active on WC a couple of years ago, now I love them. Especially Colourfix but also the PastelMat and if I want to get very layered, Wallis. Colourfix has 20 colors though, so I don't miss the Canson Mi-Tientes as much.

Still, I enjoy sketching on it with hard pastels. It's just different, the difference between sketching and painting. I think Kathryn and Charlie are right, that after learning to use sanded papers I got better at it and handle the Canson better.

SunFace, just to add to the chorus, I use clear Colourfix primer if I'm going to use pastel over a watercolor underpainting on watercolor paper. I've never tried pasteling on watercolor paper without it and don't think that would work as well.
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