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I would have killed and climbed over the corpses to have the resources available today on YouTube and online when I had the opportunity to study painting seriously in college. In the late 1970s, serious art was as its lowest, and the "academics" I had access to were fools ...or knaves. I studied architecture instead.

I've gained more insight into life drawing watching Proko's videos than I did in my college's life drawing classes. And so many of the older texts are now public domain and available on-line. One evening I was watching Lin Zim creating a portrait of Charles Dance and there he suddenly was, Lord Tywin staring back out of the canvas. A revelation that re-sparked my interest in oils. It reconfirmed Stefan Baumann's comment in one of his vids that you need "...one eye, the shape of the nose, and the line of the mouth and chin" for a good likeness. And just a few brushstrokes...

I've probabled spent well over a thousand hours on YouTube, Wikipedia and other art websites over the last year or two. It's astounding what's available...
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I would have killed and climbed over the corpses to have the resources available today on YouTube and online when I had the opportunity to study painting seriously in college. In the late 1970s, serious art was as its lowest, and the "academics" I had access to were fools ...or knaves. I studied architecture instead.

That was exactly my experience. The painting faculty were clowns. They couldn't paint, they had lousy color and they couldn't teach. Three strikes, simply useless. I changed my specialization and got my Art degree, but never learned to paint. I spent the following decades in various galleries around the world, studying Art History and the painting of actual artists and eventually curated a modern Art (~1875-1930) site on social media for a few years.

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I've gained more insight into life drawing watching Proko's videos than I did in my college's life drawing classes. And so many of the older texts are now public domain and available on-line. One evening I was watching Lin Zim creating a portrait of Charles Dance and there he suddenly was, Lord Tywin staring back out of the canvas. A revelation that re-sparked my interest in oils.

It's just as though he fished it out of a cesspool, too.

The thing that shocks me is how virtually everything most of these guys do starts out as the most truly frightful mess, yet at some point they pull it out as if by magic at the end. I doubt I could ever maintain the courage to get past that trainwreck stage. Seriously. My heart just sinks every time, just watching them. It's amazing how often I've seen this and I never get used to it.

Smith at least is different: He blocks in acrylics and it looks like it's done, and then starts his incredible detail in oils on top of that.

There are certainly some extraordinarily fine painters on Youtube, but so far they are producing the most egregious kitsch I've ever seen. I cringe in vicarious embarrassment for them. They're state-of-the-art hobbyists but with absolutely no imagination. No artistic conception. I mean...none. It's like they don't even get the question. It's a terrible waste of ability.

The great animator, Max Fleischer, said, "if it can happen in real life, it isn't animation." That's about how I see Art. If they started from that point they might get beyond the banality of what they're currently producing.
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I often change the YouTube settings to sloooow dooown the time-elapsed speed-painting to see what they are actually doing. Though I'm frequently scandelized over how many hours some seem to expend on a "simple" still life. Twenty hours to paint a bowl and three peaches? I don't have that kind of patience ...nor the OCD.

Jos Van Riswick [Josvanr] has wonderful still life vids. His bowls of fruit are wonderful, and his eggs mesmerizing. Just one egg...a perfect egg.
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Samuel earp. a good will for teaching.
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For fast and loose painting, Jose Trujillo, world's greatest living artist. (It must be true, he said it himself)
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They're just fraudulent.

There's no nice way of putting it. It's just laughable.

You know what they're like? All those big, slick food-porn cookbooks with all the lavish photography with exotic tablewear settings. Of course, there are numerous omissions that will keep you from ever actually producing those meals, but that doesn't matter...you bought the book and drooled over it. That's its object.

Painting books are at an order of magnitude below that, of course, usually just pretty crude exercises in petty painter ego. They all mindlessly copy each other while at the same time disagreeing about everything.

"You must always do X."

"You must never do X."

Take your pick of the subject. It's just sick.

OK, here's another fatal example: Mixing colors.

There are two things (at least) that you must know. The brand of paint and the proportions of colors. The "same" colors will look nothing alike from brand to brand, even in single-pigment paints. As an example, as I write this, I look over at a couple of actual paint swatches of PY35 "Cadmium Yellow Light" -- one from Weber, one from Lukas. The Weber looks exactly like Cadmium Yellow Lemon and the Lukas looks exactly like Cadmium Yellow Medium. They aren't even remotely close, and that's about as "standard" a color as you can get.

Proportions?

As a random example, one of these jokers says fleshtones are, "Titanium White, Yellow Ochre, English Red and some Ultramarine Blue." Um, so what? 25% of each? No, not even close. You'll waste $200 in paint (and paint waste is itself also always mysteriously praised as a "good thing") trying to find something that looks like human skin of any race. Hint: The Ultramarine Blue is added in truly minuscule amounts, like with the tip of a toothpick.

In nearly fifty books I have *NEVER* seen a single one that gives you those two simple points.

I have only seen one that gave the brand of paint the painter used (Carol Marine, Utrecht) and only one from some other guy who gave a meticulous breakdown of the mixing proportions of his unhelpfully unbranded paint.

This just makes you want to take these frauds and beat them bloody and senseless.


Literally.

Well, if part of your disenchantment with youtube demo. artists is that they don't offer "recipes" for proportions of color mixtures, I believe you may have missed something.

I have always discouraged my oil painting students from ever attempting to rely upon "proportions", or "recipes" for selecting "ingredient colors for mixing-to-match a target color. One needs to learn some basic facts regarding the primary colors, first, and allow that knowledge to guide one toward the selection of ingredient colors, and their quantities for the mixture.

Recipes are nearly impossible to use for the purpose of mixing colors. For example, when Thalo Blue (an actual primary color, Cyan) is used as one of the ingredient colors, the "proportion" of that color is likely to be so ridiculously small as to be impossible to measure, from a practical standpoint.

Second, when one mixes colors, one needs to select relative proportions of COLOR, rather than proportions of PAINT by volume.

Actually, the Mark Carder Youtube videos regarding the selection of a basic color palette, and the operations that he teaches regarding the mixing of colors is one of the most straightforward approaches I have ever seen. I don't recall his EVER suggesting the use of a proportions-type of recipe of paint to create his target colors. Give the Carder videos regarding mixing as a tutorial and I'm sure you will quickly develop the ability to perform that operation quickly, and effectively.

I find most painting instructions quite understandable. It is the pencil drawing steps that often frustrate me. For example, the author will show some basic stick-figure, or proportional "block-in" with a pencil commencing to a specific stage, and suddenly the next WIP shows the drawing in a profoundly advanced stage, with no explanation of how it got there! Did he erase? Did he blend? This is really unhandy, especially when dealing with figure, or portrait drawing.
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I will add that there are a lot of YT vids that are supposed to "show/teach" but 99% that I have found are merely vids to "watch me paint" and do nothing for tutoring/explaining. It does take time to find good vids which is why I like this thread.

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I will add that there are a lot of YT vids that are supposed to "show/teach" but 99% that I have found are merely vids to "watch me paint" and do nothing for tutoring/explaining. It does take time to find good vids which is why I like this thread.

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That is a very good reason that I recommend both Mark Carder, and Andrew Tischler as good video sources for color mixing, and oil painting. Both of them explain their operations, and thought behind it, as they go. They are not ones who enjoy "showing off", and their efforts seem to be along the lines of teaching.
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That is a very good reason that I recommend both Mark Carder, and Andrew Tischler as good video sources for color mixing, and oil painting. Both of them explain their operations, and thought behind it, as they go. They are not ones who enjoy "showing off", and their efforts seem to be along the lines of teaching.

Agree with this , two excellent video sources i like Carder more for the mixing tutorials en Tischler on painting technique.
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My Favorite ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubUXBqE6t0U
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Quite honestly, if your goal is to paint like Bob Ross, he explains quite a lot in his videos. He is a rather good teacher of his method. Now, Kevin Hill has taken the Bob Ross method, and he's expanded upon it greatly. A really good sequence would be to watch a few Bob Ross videos, and then once you've learned a bit about his technique, watch a few Kevin Hill videos, in order to improve upon your work.

The only problem with Kevin Hill videos is that there are generally huge gaps from one stage to the next, which gets you wondering, "How the HECK did he do THAT?" That can be frustrating.
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If you like outdoor painting and you just want to relax and watch a good artist paint, I highly recommend Michael Chamberlin. His videos are so relaxing you learn by osmosis. Carder is good for workflow and technique/process. Tischler is good for motivation and large work. Have fun! I recently lost my sense of fun and adventure and am just getting it back.
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Thank you all for your recommendations - I've looked them ALL up and have chosen a few that I really look forward to learning something from. Thanks again.
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Jerry Yarnell is one of my favorites right now. (Michael J Smith is a new favorite) search youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...=jerry+yarnell
he has videos of various lengths, from a few minutes to longer. he has DVDs, books, PBS presence
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The thing that shocks me is how virtually everything most of these guys do starts out as the most truly frightful mess, yet at some point they pull it out as if by magic at the end. I doubt I could ever maintain the courage to get past that trainwreck stage. Seriously. My heart just sinks every time, just watching them. It's amazing how often I've seen this and I never get used to it.

I'm always impressedby the courage it takes to just launch-in confident in the image the artist is holding in his mind. Splotches, slashes of color, broad washes competing for canvas space ...then suddenly there it is, the image they seduced us with at the start of the video.
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