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Old 02-11-2004, 12:16 PM
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ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

I'm working over ideas for my next attempt at Colored Pencils, and I've tossed this together.

It recalls the images of the Tarot Card, the THE TOWER. But I thought it would look cool done with this AWESOME image of lightning illuminating the thunderclouds.

The basic design works in an inverted triangle, suggesting rapid downward movement. Also I've balanced the Order of the Cathedral on the left, with the boiling Chaos on the right. The focus is set to the Lightning Bolt, which crosses both left and right, and up and down.

Is any of this a Major NoNo as far as composition is concerned. It SEEMS like an appropriate layout, given the subject matter. But given the help I was given on the Luna Moth piece, I look forward to your input.


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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

The leadning cathedral looks odd. The viewer will wonder if it is falling over- which it does not seem to be...
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Old 02-11-2004, 01:45 PM
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The leadning cathedral looks odd. The viewer will wonder if it is falling over- which it does not seem to be...

Yeah - I agree... My hope was to imply the destruction of the Tower, without having to actually *depict* it.

Does a vertical representation of the Tower seem to lessen the impact, or strengthen it, in your opinion?

I've included a snap of the Tarot Card for reference, also.

Thanks again for your help, Henrik


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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

another problem in both versions is with your negative space...you have an area up top center that makes a triangle too, but it's all black and does nothing to add to the composition. it needs to be broken up someway.

I would probably fix that by raising the clouds up a bit.
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Old 02-11-2004, 02:40 PM
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another problem in both versions is with your negative space...you have an area up top center that makes a triangle too, but it's all black and does nothing to add to the composition. it needs to be broken up someway.

I would probably fix that by raising the clouds up a bit.


Thanks, Arlene ... Your ideas always seem to help this process greatly.

I'd wanted to draw more attention to that creepy Blue Glow at the top of the thunderhead, and you've given me the means to do that.

This version seems more threatening, too - as the clouds seem to lean into the tower, hungrily.


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Old 02-11-2004, 03:21 PM
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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

how about having a few whispy ones climbing even higher..notice you now have a rectangle up there? and yes it does look more sinister now...

??? do you think it would look even more sinister if the building had some green colors in it?
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how about having a few whispy ones climbing even higher..notice you now have a rectangle up there? and yes it does look more sinister now...

??? do you think it would look even more sinister if the building had some green colors in it?


Now Arlene, you KNOW that I've commited all my greens to the Luna Moth. They're mere stubs of their former selves. You're teasing, right?

No?

Why, you're correct that the Grey of the building was distracting. It was the first thing that KAMCL (Karen) commented on when she saw my proposed design. "Too monochromatic for no good reason....)

That settles it - Here's the latest - Moved clouds (Good call - I didn't particularly care for the way the one cloud *nearly* touched the building either) - and the Green Cast over the building....

The Green, while being subtle enough to still look like stone, really brings out the Reds and Blues in the sky, doesn't it?


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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

If you haven't already, take a look at this comprehensive article on composition. After reading it, things like having straight objects pointing out of the picture frame provides rapid velocity to move the viewer's eyes out of the picture will pop out at you instinctively. To me it seems that in addition to asking advice, that boning up on composition theory would be a good idea. Having a more intimate command of compostion will give you more creative power to know when to both maximize the rules and break them.

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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

It would increase the dramatic impact if the tower were to lean inward a bit.
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It would increase the dramatic impact if the tower were to lean inward a bit.

Leaning *inward* eh, Guy? But can it be done without making it look like it's falling over, as Henrik warned against?

Perhaps a slight SKEW, in addition to a *slight* spin, will do the trick.


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Egads ....


Next version notes:


Top of spire is too close to the top... Fix it.

Lightning bolt itself looks lost ... Replace it.


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Leaning *inward* eh, Guy? But can it be done without making it look like it's falling over, as Henrik warned against?

Perhaps a slight SKEW, in addition to a *slight* spin, will do the trick.


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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

I like it better straight up ... leaning it to the right diminishes the impact of the eagle (or whatever that is) that was already tilted and pointing inward to keep the eyes in the middle of the frame and point to the lightening and dramatic clouds.

Tilting such a large straight structure, although inward, will shoot the eyes right out of the top edge and loose the viewer quickly. The eyes are used to seeing building in a perpendicular pose ... so the eyes wont shoot up and out .... especially withe the other pointer to catch the eyes ... tilting the building loses your pointer.
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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

Hey Ace.

I just love your brilliant ideas.

Ok (says little miss no-nothing )

how about - making the negative space in between more of a V shape - and then bring the lightning bolt up higher & angling it down towards the tower. ????????????

OK Arlene - don't laugh at me.
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Re: ACE's Tower (Photoshop Layout)

Now I'm torn....

I went out with the camera today, and took some more source photos.

I *still* like the Eagle/Gargoyle being the central focus of this piece, but am working with this perspective to see if I can accomplish the same goals.

Does this go TOO far? And is it TOO busy for you to notice the Eagle/Gargolyes on the corners of the Tower?


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