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November 24, 2019 at 11:16 am #480623
Did anyone research Sargent’s watercolor pigments? Since his watercolor works are such fascinating。I want completely the same pigments he chosen (or contemporary version). I knew his oil color choice are documented as : white/cadmium yellow light/cadmium red/Venetian red/cadmium orange/burnt sienna/raw umber/ Perm Alizarin crimson/Viridian/ cobalt blue/ Fr ultramarine blue/ivory black.
But i think when the medium transfer to watercolor these color list above is not enough , due to the transparency of watercolor made lighter value only . ….it cannot made any dark value. e.g. Viridian is good color in oil. But Viridian in watercolor is so weak we might need add some pathalo color for more darker value
Will
November 24, 2019 at 10:26 pm #911177Sargent’s watercolor palette: Alizarin Carmine, Brown Pink, Burnt Sienna, Cadmium Yellow Pale, Chrome Yellow, Cobalt Blue, Gamboge, Lamp Black, Rose Madder, Ultramarine Blue, Vandyke Brown, Scarlet Vermillion, Deep Vermillion, Viridian, and an opaque white.
Source:https://www.susanabbott.com/painting-notes-blog/2014/4/11/the-gesture-of-light-in-sargents-watercolorsLora
C&C welcomeNovember 24, 2019 at 10:43 pm #911175Brown Pink? any chance that is Potter’s Pink?
November 25, 2019 at 7:06 am #911173I find it interesting that he used a premixed black.
November 25, 2019 at 9:55 pm #911170Remember that Sargent often laid his watercolors on quite thickly. Often given an opaque finish. He would also wash color over a thick (1mm) white bead laid on the paper.
So much in his watercolors can only be appreciated in person, it just doesn’t show up in reproduction.
"Let the paint be paint" --John Marin
November 25, 2019 at 10:26 pm #911178Brown Pink? any chance that is Potter’s Pink?
I have no idea, but that’s exactly what I thought when I saw it.
Lora
C&C welcomeNovember 26, 2019 at 1:47 am #911169“The pigment called Stil, or Stil de grain, is a similar preparation, and a very fugitive yellow, the darker kind of which is called brown-pink.”
More at
https://www.naturalpigments.com/artist-materials/pink-was-yellow-paint/Life is but a Dream
December 1, 2019 at 5:41 am #911171Thank you Lavendulan. Now i update my palette and share with all of you.Removing some black colors or multi-pigments color. Most color are choose from WN aritist half-pan since i do field landscape only.(But i think the color list can applies to any subject! : ) )
lemon yellow
cadmium yellow pale
cadmium orange (pre-mixed)
cadmium red
Venetian Red
permnent alizarin crimson
yellow orche
Burnt Sienna
vandyke brown
permnent sap green
viridian
Cobalt Turquoise
Cerulean Blue
cobalt bule
French ultramarine
tianium white(Opaque)
Will
December 3, 2019 at 9:40 pm #911179I was just watching a new video from Jerry’s Artarama that featured Sennelier. The first color he laid out was Brown Pink. Sennelier has reproduced this in a modern convenience mix of PY 150, PG 7, and PBr23. It is indeed related to Stil de Grain, and showed up in the video as a glowing greenish gold. They mentioned it was a favorite of Sargent’s. Beautiful, I might have to get a tube, or I may just try to mix it myself.
The original color was not lightfast, and even though this one is not rated, it is made from lightfast pigments.
Lora
C&C welcomeDecember 4, 2019 at 3:45 am #911176I’m surprise to find out that brown pink is neither brown or pink… it look alot like green gold..
oh yeah, this is the video with brown pink in it..
Jerry’s LIVE Episode #132: Sennelier Watercolor, Fabriano Artistico & Raphael BrushesDecember 4, 2019 at 9:45 am #911174The word “pink” originally referred to a yellowish shade of a flower. Over the centuries it’s English usage shifted to our modrn pale red. “Blue” has also shifted from a more cyan shade to the modern blue…which was originally called indigo from the dye (blue jeans blue). Hence some of the confusion with Newton’s ROYGBIV, blue and indigo have shifted in common usage…
Traditionally the Japanese considered greens and blues to be one color-group. While the Russians separate light-blue and dark-blue as two separate colors. And in English there’s pink and red …though both cyan and blue are “blue”.
Radical Fundemunsellist
December 5, 2019 at 7:23 am #911172I am a bit of a plant nerd and have never heard of a yellowish pink in Dianthus flowers (“pinks”). “Pinks” in flowers refers to the edges of the petal, which are zigzag, like done with a pinking shears. Here’s a good example.
The word “pinke” for a dull yellowish brown color comes from dyeing. It was made from unripe buckthorn berries and had low lightfastness. I think you can still get this actual pigment from Kremer as stil de grain Yep, in fact they have several varieties.https://www.haroldroth.com/
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https://www.facebook.com/haroldrothartistDecember 11, 2023 at 8:41 pm #1534866I just finished creating a John Singer Sargent palette as my watercolor class has used two JSS watercolor paintings for practice. I thought it would be a good idea to try to use the same colors he did. I did a temporary mix of emerald since mine hadn’t arrive yet. I used: 8:viridian, 2:cad yellow light, 1:titanium white. I think if I did it again I would cut the yellow to one and increase the viridian to 9.
I used Quin Pink but am going to switch it out for Opera, which is closer to Eosin. I’ll also be switching out the Greenish Yellow (Holbein) for Brown Pink (Sennelier) I have the space so will be adding Transparent Red Oxide. There will be 26. I found three different pigment lists for JSS and so combined them, eliminating duplicates and similars.
Here is my list. They are Daniel Smith unless otherwise noted.
Eosin (Opera) or Quinacridone Pink (DS)
Rose Madder, (Rose Madder Hue)
Alizarin Carmine, (Perm Alizarin Crimson)
Scarlet Vermillion, (Organic Vermillion)
Deep Vermillion, (Cadmium Deep Red, W&N)
Cadmium Orange
Cadmium Yellow Pale or light, (Cad Yellow pale W&N or Cad Yellow light DS)
Chrome Yellow, (Schmincke)
Gamboge, (New Gamboge DS discontinued or Quin Gold DS discontinued)
Brown Pink,(Sennelier) or Greenish Yellow (Holbein) or Rich Green Gold (DS)
Viridian
Emerald green (Holbein, DaVinci, Turner Professional) see my mix above
Chrome green (Chromium Oxide)
Cobalt Blue,
Ultramarine Blue,
Prussian Blue
Cerulean Blue
Cobalt Violet
Yellow Ochre
Burnt Sienna,
Umber, Raw and Burnt
Vandyke Brown,
Lamp Black, or Ivory Black
Opaque white (gouache)
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