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Old 07-16-2018, 04:45 PM
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Harold Roth, as far as different media goes, your experiences mirror my own. Over the years I have learned a few little things about how to achieve the effects I want in other media, but nothing was as easy as oil paints. Cleaning up with an oil rinse followed by soap and water is easy, but utilizing a jar of oil for the bristles to sit in is even easier. I do not even need to wash my studio brushes, have not in years, just wipe them out well, rinse with oil and place the brushes submerged to half way up the ferrule in my oil jar and held from completely submerging with an office clip. Been doing this for over 3 years now and brushes look basically new.

Mechanically, nothing is more simple than oil painting, we as artists are the ones that make it more difficult than it really is.
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People frightened to use oil paint. They are thinking, that oil paint is scary. They think to start with watercolors or pencils. They are worrying about drawing lines in oils. When they started with pencils, they are completely discouraged with the difference between drawing as making whole painting with pencils LINES and real oil painting in which our world no longer can be described as a contour instead of gradient. Whole their life, they studied to draw contours, therefore they can't paint from life, they are looking for how to make contours from imagination. Old scary books also recommends to study drawing instead of study painting. For most of my friends, from "drawing" to "painting" they have terrible barrier. And such barrier they can't break or pierce.

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Re: Solvent Free Painting

Acrylics works very well for abstract work. I like messing around with it.

But I find it pretty unsatisfying to use for anything else.

All the issues with using acrylics are related to how it dries.

The fast drying makes making a soft edge difficult.
The fast drying means you are forced to use a stay-wette palette or put out new paint every 5 minutes.
The fast drying ruins your brushes if you don't dunk them into water within 5 minutes.
The fast drying evaporates the water, leaving a plastic binder behind that tend to look rather matte.

Gouache and watercolor have the property of fast drying, but unlike acrylics it can be rewetted.

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When they started with pencils, they are completely discouraged with the difference between drawing as making whole painting with pencils LINES and real oil painting in which our world no longer can be described as a contour instead of gradient. Whole their life, they studied to draw contours, therefore they can't paint from life, they are looking for how to make contours from imagination. Old scary books also recommends to study drawing instead of study painting. For most of my friends, from "drawing" to "painting" they have terrible barrier. And such barrier they can't break or pierce.



It's mostly the teacher's fault. There should be a point at which drawings increase in size and one moves to charcoal. Where you trade line for mass.

But that's not longer taught, people want to immediately jump from a little sketchbook into painting.

If they're told that they first will spend a year doing charcoal, they would run out of the classroom, yet that's exactly how any good art school still teaches it, you move from pencil to charcoal, only then do you move to painting. From line to mass and value, and only then do you move on to color.

Schools that don't do this just end up with students who work in fear each time they stand in front of a blank canvas. They are used to putting lines on a piece of paper and now need to fill a large canvas. They've never done a life size drawing, they never touched charcoal, never touched pastel, of course they're scared of painting.

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For me, Art means Oil on Canvas. Some watercolor paintings fro the past era looks gorgeous, but most contemporary watercolors I can see in "how to paint" books, looks like a mud done with burnt sienna and ultramarine blue. I guess, someone "watercolor king" or "world's watercolorist's government" decided to push all available watercolorists to sienna-ultramarine cool/warm road.
But such ultramarine-sienna mud is awful!
I did this awful terrible muddy watercolor with only ultra blue and sienna:



It was so much easier to paint than with oils and I am not kidding this time.
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Sketches are easy in any medium, Sid. That is a sketch.
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I did this awful terrible muddy watercolor with only ultra blue
Zorn missed a real, Sid's "Two Paints" limited palette. He used too many colors and couldn't touch proper limitation. Why did he collected 250 paint tubes with 200 cobalt blue tubes but couldn't achieve cool/warm color harmony?
If so, then Sid is a "watercolor king", who did 2 color harmony regulation in contemporary art!

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Why did he collected 250 paint tubes with 200 cobalt blue tubes but couldn't achieve cool/warm color harmony?
Oils are too much work, but his watercolors sing!
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Very nice painting, Sid!

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It was so much easier to paint than with oils and I am not kidding this time.
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I am sure they are no more toxic than any other acrylic paint. It is only the release of tiny amounts of ammonia from the acrylic binder as it dries (which it does in a few minutes) that can be an issue and only if you are sensitized to it. Like I said, maybe have a small personal fan blowing past you as your work if you are concerned (and if you work close to your painting, like I did), but plenty of people paint with acrylics their entire lives and never get sensitized to the ammonia.

I agree with Gigalot that even though they tell people to start learning how to paint with acrylics that they are actually more difficult to use well than oils.

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You can paint raw underpainting with acrylic, sometimes it is possible to load brush directly from the acrylic tube to reduce drying issues. Then let it dry and apply oil paint on top. With oil you can correct mistakes, make proper color gradients, fine lines and get brilliant glazing colors. Also, your oil on top of acrylic painting will resist dust, while acrylic surface attract dust.

I think, that acrylic for beginners is too much technically difficult paint. It might be better to discover acrylic after, when you became skilled artist in oil.
Acrylic paint gives turbo power for skilled artist to compose multi-layers and non-yellowish underpaint. As I use student-grade Amsterdam acrylic, it is completely free of any toxic metal content. Amsterdam is anti-toxin European brand, completely refined from toxins by EU government regulation.

You mean squeeze the paint right onto the brush?
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You mean squeeze the paint right onto the brush?
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Yes, you can mix color by applying multiply thin layers of paint, squeezed directly from acrylic tube to paint brush. You can try to use translucent blue on top of yellow to mix green, to apply magenta on top of blue or green e.t.c by using tubed colors diluted with water. Use additive average optical mixing and layer-on-layer subtractive mixing. Do not necessary to only mix color on palette, because masters can create color on painting surface by using many different techniques. No matter if you sometimes are doing mistake with underpainting color, because later you can paint over with oils.

I found a Russian artist online. He use quick acrylic underpainting using acrylic paint from tube and then he overpainted all with solvent-free oil paint with refined linseed oil as the oil painting medium. Part one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD6Rv0H8Spk

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I do not even need to wash my studio brushes, have not in years, just wipe them out well, rinse with oil and place the brushes submerged to half way up the ferrule in my oil jar and held from completely submerging with an office clip. Been doing this for over 3 years now and brushes look basically new.
I read about this, but you're the first person I know who is doing it. I will give it a try. Thanks!
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