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Old 03-17-2004, 03:28 PM
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

I'm all for a mini forum! Has anyone thought of size guidelines yet? 5X7 or smaller? Some mini shows take anything up to 9X12, but that seems a bit large to me. Might put that in the poll too? Don't forget the pastel people...in spite of the size of most soft pastels, a lot of us do minis, as well!

Good luck...great idea!
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

i think it’s a great idea if there are enough participants
i wasn’t so aware of the vastness and huge presence of miniature painting
until i went to a miniature exhibit not too long ago

a forum could be a big help to many; with the way miniature paintings encompass
all styles and mediums, everyone is included and the forum would draw in a nice mix
of artists, i think there is a broad base of related knowledge to be shared
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

Great idea! I voted yes. I tend to work small and I have done several actual miniatures with the help of a book on the techniques. It would be grrrreat to have a miniature forum. I do get sooooo tired of other artist friends saying "But you paint soooooo small! Why don't you "loosen up" and paint larger!" This when viewing a 9"x12" painting of mine. One artist friend called it "tiny" !!! For some reason "BIG" = quality and "small" = not as good.

For those who voted "no", perhaps for the reason that each individual medium forum should serve the purpose (oils, watercolours, etc.), it should be noted that miniature painting is NOT merely a normal painting done a lot smaller. Miniature painting comes with its own set of problems and techniques. If England (Royal Society of Miniature Painters, Sculptors and Gravers, estab. 1905), among others, has found it useful to have societies and guilds devoted to miniaturism, I should think WC could easily find a miniature forum useful, were there enough interest.

Britain has set the standards for defining the parameters of a miniature painting, that being a maximum 6"x4" frame and picture size, and for portraits, 2" maximum for the size of the head. I believe most American Miniaturist societies have adopted these parameters.

Attention to detail is very important in the judging, consequently tiny brushes are used, some with only ONE hair (I save my cats' whiskers, when shedded, just for this purpose).

A miniaturist doesn't use raised brushstrokes, as that would detract from the painting. Smooth surfaces are preferred so nothing detracts from the detail. For this reason, painter's canvas shouldn't be used because the weave is entirely too large for a miniature. A miniature needs to be very tightly rendered. When using watercolor as a medium, wet-into-wet would not work because the technique's hallmark fluidity and looseness does not lend itself to depicting fine detail. The same goes for the use of a palette knife in oils or acrylics. Supports used are ivory, ivorine (a synthetic ivory), vellum (which lends itself to many glazes which bring up luminosity), hot-pressed watercolor paper, parchment, wood and even roughed-up (sanded) plexiglass (careful here, it's archival qualities are questionable at best).

So you can see, that even though many media are acceptable in the painting of a miniature (watercolour, oils, acrylics, casein, gouache, etc.), the special problems a miniaturist might encounter have little in common with those of "normal size" painting disciplines.

I see there are almost as many "no" votes as "yes" votes. I'd appreciate those who vote "no" to post their reasons so they may be addressed. Thanks so much.

Okay, I'll get off the ole soapbox now.
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

Here are some links
Royal Society of Miniature Painters Sculpters and Gravers
You can see an extraordinaire miniature here:
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

Hi Yoyita

I voted yes . I use giant paintbrushes and love sloshing paint onto the canvas...which makes me really notice and admire the fine work you guys do in your miniature work.

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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

Here are a couple of Sumi-e I did for a postcard project last year. They are both a bit under 4 x 6 inches. My more traditional Western-style watercolors are in my other hard drive--I'd have to search through. And I've even done some miniatures in goldpoint, silverpoint and scratchboard.

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Mughal Miniature Paintings Here are more links:


Some Indian reproduction in miniature

Mary of Burgundy's Book of Hours

A Youth Leaning Against a Tree Among Roses

HILLIARD, Nicholas

Frances Howard, Countess of Somerset and Essex

Queen Elizabeth

The Historical Development of the Ottoman Court Miniature

Tibetan Ritual Miniature Paintings
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

I think having miniatures is a great idea. I have seen many superb ones in the museums in London. I would certainly like to know the way to achieve such small but very detailled pictures. I have voted yes.
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

The miniatures I have seen are under 4" in height and width.

There is a difference between small works and miniatures.
I have paintings which are 5" x 7" which would not be considered miniatures.

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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

I've done and sold quite a few miniatures - the typical size I saw a demand for was 2x3 inches and smaller. This is what the collectors look for.



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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

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forum for miniatures - cool!

i'll be there...
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Awesome!!! Your colors are super!! What sizes? The one I did is 4 3/4" x 2 7/8" How long have you been working with miniatures? Very nice.
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Re: Wouldn't it be nice to have a Miniature Painting's forum?

Hi Cheryl!!
Looks like there is some interest in a miniature forum!!!! Nice to here from you!

There are some great miniature people. These webs are from some of the Cider Painters of America. They always win in the competitions. Check out there work. www.lindarossin.com and http://www.artofwildlife.com/wes&rac...iniatures.html

Everyone- The sizes in the Cider Painters of America mini's can be know larger than 3" x 5" The person's head can not be know larger than 1 1/2" The normal head is about 8". 1/6 makes the nice of the miniature head is 1 1/2"

Lets make miniatures!!
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The miniatures I have seen are under 4" in height and width.

There is a difference between small works and miniatures.
I have paintings which are 5" x 7" which would not be considered miniatures.

The miniatures I have seen in the museums are usually about 3.00" x 2.00". I think anything larger comes into the small painting catagory. I first thought that the ones I saw were cameo broaches. I think that is were the magic comes in.
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Here is a link to the definition of a miniature by the Hilliard Society of Miniaturists in the UK. These guidelines are generally followed in the international juried miniature fine art competitions and exhibits. There is a 1/6th rule... A miniature should not be more than a 1/6th representation of lifesize.

http://www.art-in-miniature.org/whatmin.htm

However, other competitions, such as the Arts in the Parks Mini 50, have very different guidelines.

So many choices, so little time.....

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Dorith-
Awesome!!! Your colors are super!! What sizes? The one I did is 4 3/4" x 2 7/8" How long have you been working with miniatures? Very nice.
Jaef

hi jaef,

the little church is 3"x3", the pears are 1.6"x 6.6".
i've been painting since about 1991 of and on, full time since last year. the mini's "just kind of happen" - usually when i have a bit of watercolorpaper left over or i don't have a lot of time to paint, or don't feel like doing larger pieces (which is happening more and more frequently).
i really ennjoy doing miniatures, still working on getting them a bit more detailed though.
a forum for miniatures would be the greatest

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