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Old 02-24-2020, 03:04 AM
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How to mix blood red watercolor?

I've been having trouble mixing a good true to life blood red. All my mixes have turned out with a pink or orange bias to them, and not the dark maroon red I'm looking for. The only reds I currently own are Carmine, Pyrrol Scarlet, Quin Rose (Daniel Smith brand), and Bright Red (Sennelier brand), so maybe that might be the problem. Does anybody have any good suggestions or tips on this?
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Old 02-24-2020, 04:31 AM
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

Carmine should turn out blood red if I'm not mistaken, but not really sure with what to mix it from your collection.
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

With watercolors you're at a big disadvantage at getting deep saturated colors versus oils & acrylics. The more water in your mix, the more dilute the resultant color will be (i.e. pinkish rather than deep red or maroon). Try your mix(es) with as little water as possible. And apply it physically thick.

If any of your reds have white in their formulation (I doubt it...but just to make sure), that would reduce its ability to make deep reds. If none of your reds alone can give the red you want, try mixing in a little Ultramarine, Prussian, or Phthalo Blue to each of them individually (i.e. one red mixed with a little bit of one blue...you'll have to see which combination and proportions gives the red you want. That usually works for me).

For the deepest blood reds or crimsons possible, a lot of paint manufacturers use PR206 (Quinacridone Maroon) as one of the ingredients.

I know this is watercolors, but if possible, painting on a smooth nonabsorbent surface will also keep up saturation (color depth/intensity) as much as possible.
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

In (transparent) acrylic I would mix (orangish) transparent red oxide with a rose, and get a deep red, do you have any earths of similiar color/pigment to try?
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

Transparent Red Iron Oxide + a transparent rose or magenta is a good mixing route . Some Alizarin Crimson substitutes are made this way.
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

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In (transparent) acrylic I would mix (orangish) transparent red oxide with a rose, and get a deep red, do you have any earths of similiar color/pigment to try?
Thank you to everybody for the suggestions! I currently own Burnt Sienna(schminke),Burnt Sienna, New Gamboge, Hansa Yellow Deep (Daniel Smith) Chinese Orange & Lemon Yellow (Sennelier). As for blues to neutralize it I have Indigo (schmincke), Anthaquinone Blue (M. Graham), French Ultramarine, Phthalo Blue GS (Daniel Smith) and Ultramarine Deep (Sennelier). The closest I've gotten to mixing blood reds was when I was using the Carmine I own so I know that's probably a good place to start, just not sure about what to mix in.
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

Burnt Sienna + Carmine may be worth trying.
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

If red + blue is too purplish, try red + Phthalo Green (PG7 or PG36) instead. It depends on the exact final red you have in mind.
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

Our blood has its color due to iron oxide on it, so some pigment based on that is a likely good start.
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

here's a site I found some time ago. I hope it helps:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show....php?t=1442851
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

All of the reds you mentioned are far too pink or orange. You need a cool red with blue undertones. Genuine Alizarin Crimson is the classic example. Permanent versions of AC don't work for this though, they usually have more than one pigment and look too muddy, or they'll be too brown.

The absolute best red I've found for mixing a realistic blood red colour is with PR187, the version I have called Madder Lake Red Light from White Nights. It is the closest red they have to Alizarin Crimson (and far more lightfast) but has more of a blood red look by itself, it's beautiful.

Then I use two variations of PR101 depending on where I want the highlights or shadows to be.
For the highlights/lighter areas, I mix PR187 with a redder version of PR101. Most brands will call it Venetian Red, White Night's calls their's English Red. They do have a Venetian Red which is a mix PR187 and PR102, it's not bad if you want a convenience mix for blood red, but I prefer to have more control over my mixes.

For the shadows, I again use PR187 and mix it with Caput Mortum (a dark browish violet version of PR101, mine is from W&N). Caput Mortum might look too pink in mixtures, but when it dries, the magic really happens.


Edit: I tested out some mixes with Carmine since I have this colour in two brands, Sennelier (PV19) and White Nights (PR19), both as expected were far too pink, even when mixed with PR101. The pink is far too strong and the warmth from the PR101 dulls the colour into more of a mauve or dusty rose (beautiful shade, but not what we're looking for here haha). Quin Red is usually even pinker than Carmine which is more on the Crimson side so I didn't even bother with that one.

I also tried this out with genuine Alizarin Crimson (PR83) and honestly the PR187 from White Nights makes better mixtures for blood red, they're close though! Now if only more brands would start carrying PR187 I would be happy, it's a gorgeous and highly versatile red.

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Old 03-21-2020, 09:24 AM
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Re: How to mix blood red watercolor?

OK, not for the squeamish: blood has different colors depending on a number of factors. Blood drawn into tubes is definitely blueish. It is exposure to the oxygen in air that turns it bright red. Fresh arterial blood is brighter and warmer than fresh veinous blood. I used to work as a vet tech and assisted many surgeries, so I have some personal experience with blood.

Also a laundry tip: to get blood stains out, even from whites use meat tenderizer. It breaks down the proteins.
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