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        I have found many artists to completely change things to the point where the scene in front have absolutely no resemblance . I get it, the objective of a painting is not be an exact copy, But if you are going to turn a perfectly sunny afternoon into a rainy scene or a morning scene into an evening , what is the point ? Why even bother to come out and paint ? Take some sample photos and turn it whatever you want it to be.
        I mean isnt the very objective of plein air painting is to get a first hand experience of nature with all its beauty. Sure we have to simplify , its impossible to record everything, neither is it desirable.
        I get very confused painting plein air . Specially because i paint in watercolors. For instance i have a scene in front of me, thats fairly complex. Should i just try to copy it as best as i can , or just make it as simple as possible and fall back on my generic formula and paint it ? I know it should be completely my decision. But what about honesty to the subject? Do anything to serve the cause of a good painting? What is the objective need to paint plein air as much as possible that is so stressed upon ?

        Monsur

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        I plein air painted a lot a few years ago and came to the conclusion that I did not like those paintings enough to call them finished. Still,I learned from the act of painting outdoors, from seeing the subject with my own eyes and not through the camera. I paint outdoors for the learning experience.

        I like to follow James Guerney’s blog. He sometimes tries to faithfully record a scene. Other times he simplifies and tries to create his own lighting effects.

        http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.de/

        It seems to me that these are all valid purposes. As you said, the decision is yours.

        I now mostly paint from photos. I feel there is something missing and am trying to get back outdoors. Other folks feel differently.

        Good luck with your choices, Gary

        "Painting is a verb"

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        If you want an exact copy, take a photograph.

        Capturing a scene plein air allows you to paint the things that attracted you to the subject and you are free to omit cars, move trees, add people etc to aid the composition. You may also decide to adjust shadows to improve the scene.

        Doug


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            The objective for me is not to paint Plein Air Paintings, I paint outside and produce landscapes etc
            The term Plein Air has become commercialised and degraded by greedy promoters out to make money for themselves.

            My objective is to go outside and enjoy myself there is no other reason.

            :wave: Dave

            “What peaches and what penumbras! Whole families shopping at night! Aisles full of husbands! Wives in the avocados, babies in the tomatoes!—and you, Garcia Lorca, what were you doing down by the watermelons?”
            — Allen Ginsberg
            Are you ready for a Journey?
            PS Critiques always welcome but no plaudits or emoting, please don’t press the like button.

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                My objective is to go outside and enjoy myself there is no other reason.

                :wave: Dave

                Of course everyone should. But i am trying to understand things from an academic perspective. Every realistic painters out there stresses very much on working outdoors as much as possible. All most everyone that i like does. Richard Scmid, Joseph Zbukvic are two of my absolute favourites and both are stubborn advocates of working from life. Now all i am trying to understand is what is it that i am supposed to do . If i just paint the way i feel like , i am really doubtful that working outdoors is going to improve me at all.

                Monsur

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                    i am trying to understand is what is it that i am supposed to do.

                    The landscape artist that I like engage with the countryside, they are keen walkers ,climbers and outdoors people.
                    They don’t go out with preconceived ideas and impose them on the scenery they have developed ways of conveying with a direct response the enjoyment of being out there.
                    The player who best displays this and is also a regular poster on WC is vhere, to me she captures the landscape and imparts her reactions to it in a very exciting way that assures my attention.

                    :wave: Dave.

                    “What peaches and what penumbras! Whole families shopping at night! Aisles full of husbands! Wives in the avocados, babies in the tomatoes!—and you, Garcia Lorca, what were you doing down by the watermelons?”
                    — Allen Ginsberg
                    Are you ready for a Journey?
                    PS Critiques always welcome but no plaudits or emoting, please don’t press the like button.

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                        Painting from life allows you to see stuff you cannot see in a photograph. It forces you to work through a significantly larger set of problems as well. This applies to portraits too.

                        When you paint from a photograph, you are literally creating a painting of a photograph – a 2 dimensional image. Most of the work done by artists I associate with who only paint from photographs produce work that to my eye clearly looks like it was painted from a photo. Those who paint regularly from life are able to produce paintings from photographs that look less like a painting of a photograph and more like a painting from life. I noticed this some years back which is why I try to paint from life as often as I can.

                        Paintings that look exactly like the photograph they were painted from and thus exactly like a painting of a photograph have the least appeal to me of any type of painting out there.

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                            You paint what you like. You learn from turning looking into “seeing”.

                            It is totally unimportant (other than to some contest rules) whether you paint exactly what’s in front of you or whether you finish it totally outdoors.

                            For me painting en plein air gets me outside for the enjoyment AND provides changeable subjects and lighting.

                            If you aren’t sure why you should be painting outdoors, maybe you’ve got a mismatch in motivation. If you don’t enjoy it or at least learn from it, no reason to do it. And it’s entirely possible that painters you admire don’t actually fit so well with how you like to paint. No big deal if they don’t match up.

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                            I have to admit I mostly do ink and wash sketches plein air.

                            Doug


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                            #609175
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                                Of course everyone should. But i am trying to understand things from an academic perspective. Every realistic painters out there stresses very much on working outdoors as much as possible. All most everyone that i like does. Richard Scmid, Joseph Zbukvic are two of my absolute favourites and both are stubborn advocates of working from life. Now all i am trying to understand is what is it that i am supposed to do . If i just paint the way i feel like , i am really doubtful that working outdoors is going to improve me at all.

                                Unless you are engaged in a formal class or study of some kind, “supposed to do” is not the main objective.

                                IMO, the “art” of it is in the experience that the artist goes through; what’s left over is the “object d’art”. That object can serve as a stimulus for others and/or the artist. But it isn’t the “art”.

                                If your preference is copying from photos or other paintings, then do so. If your preference is painting in a studio and taking as much time as you like to finish, then do so.

                                However, if you are trying to learn to paint from life, whether photorealistically or impressionistically, then painting outdoors is a great place to do that. It takes some time to learn the ropes of handling painting from life, whether in the studio or in the landscape. That, in and of itself, is a useful skill to learn, even if it isn’t your end choice. But that’s up to you and only you if this isn’t part of a curriculum.

                                There is a recurring story in Henning Mankel’s Wallander books about his father painting the same bucolic scene over and over again and selling that. Sometimes with and sometimes without a rooster. Whatever floats your boat!

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                                    You paint what you like. You learn from turning looking into “seeing”.

                                    If you aren’t sure why you should be painting outdoors, maybe you’ve got a mismatch in motivation. If you don’t enjoy it or at least learn from it, no reason to do it. And it’s entirely possible that painters you admire don’t actually fit so well with how you like to paint. No big deal if they don’t match up.

                                    May be i have done some miscommunication somewhere. I never said that i dont enjoy it. As tough as it is, i really do enjoy it, and wish i can do this everyday. But all i am trying to do is really make the best use of the time that i invest outside. For example, i really do like wet in wet technique of watercolour. The sight of colour spreading into each other is something i really relish. Now i can do that all day long , its fun. But that wont make me much better than what i already am. Yes when i try that in paintings and get it right i feel will make me a better painter than i am. Even a failed attempt will serve me much better than just aimless activity. Its the objective use of that technique that matters. Similarly all i am trying to figure out is, how to use that time most effectively when i paint plein air. What is it that i should be aiming for , so that i can improve in the shortest possible time. Repeating the same things again and again doesnt necessarily make someone good. Its having the correct vision, failing at it miserably, then correcting the mistakes and then succeeding at it , that actually improves someone.

                                    Monsur

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                                        I understand what you are saying. My medium is oil paint. haven’t done any plein air oils for several months, and am not yet ready to, I still have other things to take care of first.
                                        I enjoy going out to paint, and generally plan for 2+ hours-set up, paint, shut down. My PA work IS work. It’s not fun, it’s usually not very good–a second grader could do as well.
                                        However, I do enjoy it. No, no masochist tendencies, I don’t think.
                                        I learn to see better outside with even just the act of working at it. I am learning things: how dark the concave underside of the thick, old mesquite tree really is, how small the houses at the far end of the cul-de-sac appear under it’s branches, so distance/depth is already a part of the picture.
                                        How the bright light hits this building, not that one, showing a different angle along that curve.

                                        In PA, I do –even though I work at not–get too picky, too detailed. So I come back here to see how others portray their scene, what I can do to improve mine. With oil paint, I can more easily make adjustments than I could with watercolor. How do you improve? Keep at it, do YOUR thing, look at what others have done, how they portray objects.
                                        Consider a class or two. I haven’t yet, because for me, at my skill level, it would be a waste of money. After I improve I will take a class.
                                        Consider joining a local PA group, and go out with them. Work along side, see what they do. Some people have a knack for this, others, like me, have to work at it. I just enjoy it enough that, for as bad as I am, I enjoy being out.
                                        And the people have been really nice, whether they speak or not…

                                        Consider taking some small objects out to your yard, and just painting them. Over and over. See how the light hits, the shadows, the turnings. It’s plein air, and next week, replace the household objects with a rock, a flower pot,
                                        a tree stump…
                                        Be easy on yourself. just, enjoy. the day, the birds, the breeze…

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                                            May be i have done some miscommunication somewhere. I never said that i dont enjoy it. Repeating the same things again and again doesnt necessarily make someone good. Its having the correct vision, failing at it miserably, then correcting the mistakes and then succeeding at it , that actually improves someone.

                                            OK, I can see you are on a quest with this. That’s fine, again, even if you are just pushing your boundaries for your own sake.

                                            I manage a meetup group of plein air artists and there are plenty of similar groups all over the world. We’re relaxed, casual in approach, include people of all levels from rank beginner to teaching professionals, and pretty much every medium you can practice outdoors. For me it’s a wonderful learning experience, because I’m not just setting up my own experiments, I’m learning from what the others choose to paint, how they frame it, how they render it, etc. We don’t allow critique unless requested, so nobody is intimidated, but the learning opportunities abound.

                                            Something like that may work for you. Stretch yourself, your vision, your techniques without feeling stressed over it. Just my two cents.

                                            I try to alternate mediums too. That helps me stay fresh and experiment more, rather than sticking to the tried and true. For me an acrylic takes about 1 – 1.5 hours, watercolors usually half an hour, other media, in between. So from our 3 hour painting jaunts I can do two paintings or more if I choose, but mostly I’ll bounce around seeing what others are doing. YMMV

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                                                So, let me give an example . This was a plein air attempt, done with too much haste(40 mins) as i was running late for something .

                                                The reference photo….

                                                Of course the camera doesnt do any justice to the actual scene
                                                Now a very quick 5 min sketch of how i can follow my generic method and fake few things to turn this into a better scene .

                                                The question is should i do this ?

                                                Monsur

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                                                    Should you do what?
                                                    No reason not to keep trying what you are doing if your goal is to paint more from life and/or outdoors.
                                                    Of course, you can take your reference picture and paint at leisure in your studio if you prefer, but that won’t teach you to paint under changeable conditions the way outdoor painting will.
                                                    Some people misunderstand plein air as broad field of view landscape painting. You can simplify or crop down to a few telling details or nuances and it’s just as good.

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