I have a couple of Koh-I-Noor sets (Mondeluz, Progresso Aquarell 48) and they both have different sets of color numbers than I can find in any chart. They just seem to replace the colors when they feel like it. In some cases it looks like they might have replaced some of the more fugitive colors, but since it’s difficult to identify the newer colors (with higher numbers) it’s hard to tell. There’s no chart on the box, just tiny little squares of color with no identifiers. So I look online for charts and they never match.

Here’s the 83-color KiN Mondeluz 3720 chart:

Kos

Thanks Anna! That’s very useful.

And then here, finally, is a link to a KIN Polycolor chart showing 96 colors:

http://www.koh-i-noor.pl/polycolor-3800,prod,19,167.php

Kos

I learned a lot too, and have some sorting to do.

All the times I’ve looked for Koh-I-Noor charts, I never ended up on their Polish page before.

Kos

However, the link you provided is actually the color chart for the 72-color Mondeluz aquarelle set (3720, the good gold-tipped ones – as opposed to the 3710, which are the just-okay plain-tip budget version).

Ah, you’re right! I let the “kredki progresso 96 kolorów” text misguide me.

Anyway, a 96 set would be tasty!

Heikki

Should have remembered that…

Brown: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0597/3113/products/3822012014BL_1024x1024.jpg?v=1459518737

Gray: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_7LopR8oz8Q/maxresdefault.jpg

Landscape 24: http://www.htconline.in/content/images/thumbs/0008655_kohinoor-polycolour-artists-coloured-pencils-set-of-24-landscape-blister-pack.jpeg

Portrait 24: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vr6V_u4ANNI/UvVos7QsMbI/AAAAAAAABMs/uJFrJXvYIA0/s1600/polycolor_portret_tyl_kohinoor.jpg – and there they are, the pinks!

I am waiting for some KIN sets from Minoa but unfortunately they don’t stock these special sets. *sigh* I’ll come later with a review.

Heikki

Checking my own sets with the charts that have come up here, together with the info from the KIN rep that Anna shared above, I think I finally get the name and numbering changes for the KIN Mondeluz aquarelle pencils.

From a hand-colored chart posted here on WetCanvas in 2008, the original set had pencils numbered 01-72.

At some point, pencils 39 and 40 (two different shades of grey) were replaced by:

73 – Carmine Red Light
74 – Brown Ochre

And that’s what’s reflected on the officially posted color charts I’ve had for years – pencils numbered 01-74 with no 39 or 40.

Then, as Anna shared above, the following replacements were made:

10 – Pink replaced by 131 – French Pink
11 – Light Violet replaced by 177 – Lilac Violet
12 – Red Violet replaced by 178 – Reddish Violet 2
14 – Blue Violet replaced by 179 – Bluish Violet 2
37 – Cherry Red replaced by 170 – Pyrrole Red
46 – Dark Orange replaced by 126 – Persian Orange
49 – Permanent Violet replaced by 180 – Lavender Violet Dark
50 – Windsor Violet replaced by 181 – Windsor Violet 2
51 – Delft Blue replaced by 182 – Dark Violet 2

. . . and that matches the set I have.

These three colors are only in the Brown set of 12 pencils:

207 – Burnt Sienna
212 – Caput Mortuum
214 – Earth Brown Dark

These six colors are only in the Portrait set of 24 pencils:

350 – Medium Flesh
351 – Reddish Flesh
352 – Blush Pink
353 – Amaranth Pink
354 – Pink Orange
355 – Peach Orange

The original (replaced) grey shades 39 and 40 may still be in the Grey set of 12 pencils, but I don’t have that one, so can’t verify.

That leaves two pencils I can’t place:

132 – Carmine Red (but there’s a 07 – Carmine Red in my set of 72)
139 – Cobalt Blue Light (there’s a 17 – Cobalt Blue in my set of 72)

Can’t speak to the Polycolors as I don’t have any, but they share the same color id’s, and the sequence of changes is probably a pretty close match.

Thanks everyone, for sharing info and charts!

Kos