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always happy that something I've had a part in sharing finds a place to be helpful to another! Thanks...and my privilege Adrian...
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Great thread! Thanks very much Larry!
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bumping up...enjoy!
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These are all great threads Larry. It sound like we need a a second menu on the Plein Air forum for learining.
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thanks Mike...

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Thanks for this. I really dislike painting from photos, but it is necessary at times. I especially appreciate the hints on the red and how it is affected in landscapes. I tend to focus on the green and blue and forget the red.
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Re: The Progression of REGRESSION in color and values

Thank you, Larry. If I can add a thought here: The intensity of the regression is affected by altitude and humidity: Here in Colorado at 20% humidity and 5400 feet altitude, the color regression is a lot milder than at locations with more dense atmosphere and more humidity in the air--some people have a hard time creating believable color recession because distant hills and mountains and trees are still so crisp to the eye, you actually have to push the recession further than your eyes tell you to. In contrast, I remember a day visiting Boston in summer when the colors receded noticeably in a matter of 30 yards across the pond in the park...
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The intensity of the regression is affected by altitude and humidity: Here in Colorado at 20% humidity and 5400 feet altitude, the color regression is a lot milder than at locations with more dense atmosphere and more humidity in the air

Yes, I agree with this... While most of the time the distance/haze equation is true, there are near-zero humidity days in the fall (at regular altitudes) where scenes a few miles away can look as crisp and bright as what is only a few hundred feet away. I find this to be the case many times in winter, early spring or fall. Atmosphere, humidity, time of day... lots of factors can skew things. It really depends on how you want to re-represent a scene, completely and exactly truthful to what you see ~or~ "artistically" for what you want seen by the viewer of the piece. Most painters opt for the latter but there are those rare times when the former can also create a stunning result.

Age can play a big factor as well... Many impressionists' later works were thought to be their most "artistic", but some reason that this was because their failing eyesight made them blur or make vague what they actually couldn't see. They simply put the tone in place and let the eye tell the rest of the story. We can also do that by choice, of course!
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the beauty of a rule...or a notion of the concept, is that it serves to bring attention to that acception as well.

In portrait work...I have taught my sons, as well as my students for years a formula that ironically works. Based off of Da Vinci's cadaver studies and measurements, and something reading I gleaned and have used to teach. My illustration/high caricature artist son Jason, has made use of this brilliantly to see where the exception to the generalization is and then exploit that...

Distance from pupil to pupil (of the eyes) equals length of rested mouth, length of nose, length of ears, distance from closed mouth to bottom of chin. Width of one eye equals distance between or from one eye's tear duct to the other. Distance from temple to temple equals distance from bottom of chin to bridge of nose, from bridge of nose to hairline...etc

Uncanny how accurate much of that has been...but when it comes to rules some have in their nature only the interest to prove or say, "Hey...that doesn't work...because my ear....blah blah blah" which means they aren't getting the value of what having a generalized standard offers them.

There are always exceptions to the rule...and many artists like to tout, "rules are meant to be broken"...

I'll agree to the degree that it serves you only when you know what the rule is that is to be broken, and why breaking it is going to serve your priorities.

Knowing the generalization of this progression of regression of color and values would only heighten my experience visiting Colorado, and result in my better exploiting the unique trait there...and then in the end, that serves me as a painter.

Good stuff all...good stuff
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Hey Jasmin...

Just finished a small 6"x 12" oil on a panel with a pumice additive, the "Hanson Panel" as we are calling it on Wetcanvas...(based on a recipe of WC member Marc Hanson). I have a thread that shows the various steps...and a closeup, and you can see how I treat leaves. I try and represent leaves as a value/color mass...suggesting them more or less...getting my clues from squinting my eyes... here is that thread, and hope it helps! Thanks much for yoru comments....

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This is an old thread...that I shared back when I was moderator, and prior to retiring. One I referred others to so often, that I kept its link rather than have to reinvent the wheel so to speak. I'm bumping it up after so long...hoping it will yet prove helpful to some..
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