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Old 07-31-2009, 02:51 PM
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How to get site on search engines?

Any suggestions on how to get your site "out there" on search engines, etc? Is there a batch of keywords you want associated with your site when someone does a search (like "art", "photography", etc)?

Seems like I've read a lot of conflicting info about the process. If anyone could dumb it down for me, that would be great. I have signed up for a Google Analytics account, but it looks....confusing, and I'm not sure if that's the same thing as getting noticed on search engines.

Are there free options?

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Old 07-31-2009, 09:58 PM
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Re: How to get site on search engines?

NO, Google Analytics is for monitoring the visits to your site.
It gives alot of info, maybe a bit to much for a beginner..
Look at the number of visits your page gets is the most important one.
Bounce rate says how many visitors leave straight away after looking at the first page..

For the rest take things one at a time, not everything is interesting enough for everybody

Google has also has webmaster tools which checks your site for mistakes etc..


To get your site on searchengines several things are important..

Supplying your siteadress to the searchengines is quite important..
I would suggest supplying the url of your site to:
Google, Yahoo and Bing those are the most commonly used ones and will cover more then 95% of the all internet searches at this moment..

After that it's mostly about the quality of the website(html) and especially it's content.
It's quite important to fill in or add all kinds of tags inside your page..



A different title tag for every page, that fits the content of that page
Alt tag for images(search engines cannot index pictures without them)
meta descriptions and keywords(extra info for the searcheninge)
Good and consitent use of the headings tags.
good working internal links. if the searchengine cannot follow them it will never find those other pages you made.
Submitting a sitemap will also help(http://www.sitemapdoc.com/Default.aspx)
Content that fits the meta descriptions and keywords..
FE:If your site is about painting and your keywords are for formula 1 racing something is wrong

Without these things taken care of your site will only be displayed in the lower regions of any search result. Since almost nobody will look at the 50th page of a search result, your site will not get traffic

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Re: How to get site on search engines?

Hi. This could be a case of the blind leading the blind here, but I'm in the same boat.
First, submit your site URL to DMOZ.org. Read all their instructions carefully first.
Second, write some good, content-rich short articles about whatever your site is about, and make sure you use your keywords in them. Submit these to ezinearticles.com, making sure you include your site URL in the box at the bottom of their article submission page. Again, make sure you read and understand their rules.
Third, open an account with squidoo.com and write some more site-related content which you can use in what they call a lens, which is just a fancy name for an illustrated article. You could upload some images here, plus make use of the advertising modules to maybe pick up a little cash on the side. Can't hurt to try. Again, make sure you link back to your website. Include a sign up form for the interested visitor, which could perhaps give them some free stuff in exchange for their email address. Start building an email list now, send them useful free stuff every now and then - content, pictures, painting tips - and they just might be in a mood to buy something from you when you give them the opportunity.
I've been doing this for a few months now; building a site from scratch, learning html, getting hosting, and I have to say the hardest part of all is getting someone to take a look at your site. Four billion indexed pages out there. Every new site is another needle thrown into a very big haystack. Good luck.
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:50 PM
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Re: How to get site on search engines?

Well the good thing is there is lots of information on the internet about doing this. Do a search for webmaster forums they are filled with good information.

Now for some advice the number one thing you can do to help your site is to rank high on google. They will send you more traffic than all other search engines combined. And one of the main things they go by in your ranking is the quality of sites linking to you. So your best bet is to try and trade links with high google PR rated sites that are related to your site.
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:23 PM
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Re: How to get site on search engines?

What exactly does "trade links" mean?
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:25 AM
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Re: How to get site on search engines?

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Hi. This could be a case of the blind leading the blind here, but I'm in the same boat.
First, submit your site URL to DMOZ.org. Read all their instructions carefully first.
Second, write some good, content-rich short articles about whatever your site is about, and make sure you use your keywords in them. Submit these to

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there. Every new site is another needle thrown into a very big haystack. Good luck.

good advice. i think that submitting your site to search engines won't help much. if you have valuable information on your site than they will index your site anyway. and if you do not then your site probably will not show in the search results no matter whether you submit it or not. contents is what matters.

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if you have valuable information on your site than they will index your site anyway.

What constitutes "valuable information"?
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What constitutes "valuable information"?
something that people look up and access often.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:19 PM
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Re: How to get site on search engines?

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What constitutes "valuable information"?

Information that people want to read.
Unique content that you share, on your website

Of course yesterdays valuable information is tomorrow old hat, so add new information often. And keep it attractive/valuable with info people want..
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Old 08-19-2009, 12:44 AM
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Re: How to get site on search engines?

I don't mean to sound argumentative here; it just doesn't make sense to me. For example, a website about, say, 1980's speedboats might not be valuable/interesting at all to me, but fascinating to others. I might see a website that I think looks nice, but others might dislike the colors/design. It just seems vague, you know? Are we talking popularity here, or how accurate the information is, or what? Especially with an art website...how does one determine something like that, when it's such a matter of opinion/personal preference?
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I don't mean to sound argumentative here; it just doesn't make sense to me. For example, a website about, say, 1980's speedboats might not be valuable/interesting at all to me, but fascinating to others. I might see a website that I think looks nice, but others might dislike the colors/design. It just seems vague, you know? Are we talking popularity here, or how accurate the information is, or what? Especially with an art website...how does one determine something like that, when it's such a matter of opinion/personal preference?

i myself never said that a site must be valuable to everyone. i suppose you want to increase traffic on your site, so i was saying that i think for that you must serve something that people want to see, and no search engine will help you. that is it. i am talking popularity here. for example, i have a personal art work site that has all these keywords for search engines, etc, everything done by the rules, but the traffic is very little bcause noone cares about these pictures, people are looking for games, porn or whatever else. littering various popular sites such as twitter with references to your site help a little but not much. so, with an art site, unless you start selling something for cheap for example, or become a very popular artist, the traffic will stay low. good luck.

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Re: How to get site on search engines?

I just posted about SEO (search engine optimization) in a thread the other day too. http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show....php?p=8076666

I find that a lot of the info posted on SEOmoz.org is quite good. Their blog is worth subscribing to.
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Re: How to get site on search engines?

If you have a website for 1980's speedboats and you have valuable info about that subject, it is valuable only to the people that search for that info.
Guess who is going to search for that info? People who are interested in that subject..
So what is valuable info(1980's speedboats) for one audience, isn't neccesary valuable for people intersted in art.

Every type website has it's audience, the question is what kind of audience are you targetting? If you have a art website, you need to target people interested in that subject.
So you need information that they think is usefull/valuable on your website.
If you don't have valuable info or for example a poorly designed website, they are never going to bookmark you.

The key to a succesfull website is getting the visitors attention and keeping them interested.
The difficulty is of course every visitor has it's own needs and interests.

That's life, look at the all the subforums at Wet Canvas, there are quite a few...
Every subforum has it's own crowd that finds the info there valuable..

So what is valuable info? That's indeed different for every visiting person.
If I knew a failsafe method, I wouldn't share it.. I would be a highly paid and indeed a very rich websiteconsultant

Unfortunately I'm not

Why is Wet Canvas a succesfull site?
Because people find info they seek there.
Why do they come back?
Same again.. info.

Of course other factors apply too.
If the Wet Canvas admins decide to change the layout so all text would be yellow.. Indeed very hard to read.
People might stop visiting it becuase it is annoying to select all text you want to read..

If the Wet Canvas crew decide to misbehave toward their users, people will also leave.
1 I've been on forums where every thread was closed as soon as an acceptable answer was given(never mind other ideas)
2 Other forums the owner rules like a god, woe to the user that contradicted him..
3 On other forums it was anarchy, flamewars, insults, well you get it.
4 On another forum you need to pay money to get to the real info..
Actually 't was the same as nr2 forum
5 And there are forums with popup and pop under advertisement, Advertisement whcih have nothing to do with the subject of the forum.
Advertisement which needs to be closed before you can read anything usefull..

These are big mistakes which will chase visitors away. But forums like that are never going to be big with an large active community.

What's true for forums is also quite true for websites

If you want a succesfull website:
Respect the visitor because if you don't he might never come again.
Give the visitor good info, and keep him interested, update often!
Search engine optimization is nice, but the purpose is the visitor..

Good luck, getting high traffic for websites is hard work especially art websites

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