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January 18, 2017 at 6:52 am #994763
Hello, everyone. It seems Daniel Smith released 8 new colors in their watercolor line. What do you guys think? http://www.danielsmith.com/content–id-871?utm_source=Body&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Web&utm_campaign=011717NewColors
In my opinion, 4 colors are worthy of notice:
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[*]Rose madder permanent (PR 209 + PV 19 + PR 202) – apparently a blend of 3 magenta pigments engineered to look like Rose Madder (NR 9). Duller than regular quinacridones, but still not as yellowish as Rose Madder is (remains bluish as is characteristic of all quinacridones) .
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[*]Wisteria (PR 122 + PW 6) – this is the first time I see a PR 122 which is so bluish. In fact, it is so bluish it almost looks like Dioxazine Purple. Does this work as magenta at all?
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[*]Aussie Red Gold (PY 83 + PR 101 + PV 19) – looks like Quinacridone Gold (PO 49), but slightly redder and a lot duller. Is Daniel Smith preparing itself to do without Quinacridone Gold (PO 49) and maybe its sibling, PO 48?
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[*]Lavender (PW 6 + PV 15 + PB 29) – looks a lot like natural Lapis Lazuli (PB 29), but more purplish, stronger and a bit less grainy.
January 18, 2017 at 11:45 pm #1263818I am not particularly fond of mixes of pigments in my tubes, I rather like mixing colors on my palette usually and have become quite proficient and quick at it over the years. Thus most of the time I find tubes like these unnecessary and geared towards the masses, not a bad thing from a business standpoint, but I cannot ever get excited about them either.
- Delo DelofashtJanuary 19, 2017 at 4:33 am #1263824Alizarin Color fans will be happy with the first paint. It is “full quinacridone” Alizarin Crimson or even “Rose Madder” substitution, lightfast, weatherfast and permanent! But Duller than regular quinacridones!
January 19, 2017 at 9:21 am #1263821I am not particularly fond of mixes of pigments in my tubes, I rather like mixing colors on my palette usually and have become quite proficient and quick at it over the years. Thus most of the time I find tubes like these unnecessary and geared towards the masses, not a bad thing from a business standpoint, but I cannot ever get excited about them either.
But Delo, that Wisteria (PR 122 + PW 6) interests me because it’s the first time I’ve seen a magenta tube this blue without any blue pigment in the mix. Where are they getting this from?
January 19, 2017 at 3:25 pm #1263832But Delo, that Wisteria (PR 122 + PW 6) interests me because it’s the first time I’ve seen a magenta tube this blue without any blue pigment in the mix. Where are they getting this from?
I’m baffled as well. Not aware of any pure PR122 that’s manufactured to that blueness! Clearly, it doesn’t seem to be white added to their new “quinacridone lilac PR122”, described as between “quinacridone magenta PR202” and “quinacridone rose PV19”. However, PW6+PR122+PV19(violet) does look an awful lot like the “wisteria” swatch on the screen, plus it comes really close to the hue of Ultramarine Red (just like DS says it does). Hope someone else splurges for a tube to research further.
Jen
January 19, 2017 at 8:29 pm #1263827Other brands of PR122 look similar to Daniel Smith. With a 10:1 tint, Golden acrylics PR122 swatch looks close to the DS swatch, but it is still not as bluish. DS has used “colorants” in the past, could they have made their Wisteria color more accurately match the actual color of the flower by adding a pinch of colorant? It is interesting to see that one of the other 8 new colors is Payne’s Gray, which they specifically point out is a mix of non-indigo pigments. Other literature from DS indicates that they have used natural indigo “colorant” (their term) anil (which is a dye) in the past, and I’m thinking that they must have a lot of unused anil sitting around. “Hey!” one of their color-techs cry, “why don’t we add just a pinch of anil dye to our PR122 magenta so as to get a distinct color we can market as ‘Something New!,’ and maybe, in a thousand years, we can finally use up all of this leftover dye!” Now that young man deserves a promotion!
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:::: Painting Blog with an article now and thenJanuary 23, 2017 at 2:39 am #1263830I am not particularly fond of mixes of pigments in my tubes, I rather like mixing colors on my palette
Me too. If there were any new single pigments, I’d be intrigued. The ones that are merely shades of an existing, heavily used single pigments, like the in the new Quin. Lilac (PR122) and Raw Sienna Light (PY42), don’t count. The whole collection seems like a money grab to me and I frankly, expected better from a company like Daniel Smith. Just sayin.
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Boy and Dog in a JohnnypumpJanuary 23, 2017 at 6:04 am #1263825New single pigment invention and discovery is extremely rare event. Just like an explosion of supernova star! Ones for hundred of years.. The last “supernova” paint was Pyrrole Red. But at the same time we lost ten existing pigments like PY153; PG10; PO49; PR86; Thio Black e.t.c
January 24, 2017 at 12:04 am #1263828The last “supernova” paint was Pyrrole Red.
I’m waiting for Mayan Blue to “go supernova”!
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:::: Painting Blog with an article now and thenJanuary 24, 2017 at 8:30 am #1263819But Delo, that Wisteria (PR 122 + PW 6) interests me because it’s the first time I’ve seen a magenta tube this blue without any blue pigment in the mix. Where are they getting this from?
From what I have studied about pigments, the spectral range is quite vast. There are several thousand pigment hue variations I have seen available for sale by several companies that are simply not available in most art lines, some very pale shades of turquoise for instance, in a pure pigment form and not a cobalt either, but due to the cost will likely never be found in a tube of artists paint. Many of these pigments are utilized in some very specific fields where they are more interested in how well they absorb or deflect temperatures. The science of it all gets quite technical and while interesting is not very applicable in our line of work as artists.
So, I have seen several shades of PR 122 that we simply cannot get ahold of usually and should DS have procured one of these shades it seems terribly unfortunate that they wo use dilute it with white pigment to achieve a look that I would much prefer to mix on my own should the need arise. I would have rather had the pure pigment and binder version of such a color, darker for certain, but so very useful. I would say the content of PW 6 to PR 122 is probably quite high here, and what allows them to sell the color at a price where they do not lose money, given the cost such rare shades of pigments run.
- Delo DelofashtJanuary 25, 2017 at 6:04 am #1263822From what I have studied about pigments, the spectral range is quite vast.
Yes. We’ve been discussing this for a few years on Wetcanvas already, and those variations have mostly been documented on Permanent Rose (PV 19-gamma). Quinacridone Magenta (PR 122) has always been reported to be a more consistent shade, and this is the first time we see something so bluish.
The coolest Quinacridone Magenta I could find on Google is this one, bound in linseed oil: https://www.arttreehouse.com/store/content/pr-122-quinacridone-magenta-artist-oil-colour-4-oz
Could someone ask Daniel Smith why is their Wisteria color so bluish if they don’t have any blue mixed to it?
January 25, 2017 at 9:00 am #1263826Could someone ask Daniel Smith why is their Wisteria color so bluish if they don’t have any blue mixed to it?
I have China Maries violet paint PR122 + PB29 (Quin Magenta + Ultramarine) and it gives 100% the same tinted color as Wisteria has. PR122 never had violet color. Even PV19 can’t give such a bluish violet shade. It is reddish violet. I guess, DS just experimented with their “colorants” to make Wisteria lavender color! It might be better to avoid this suspected paint unless you want to do it’s full lightfastness test.
Also, PR122 can be a typo and the real color name can be PV23 Dioxazin Violet
January 25, 2017 at 9:34 am #1263833Yeah, hopefully this is an unintentional labelling error. I was also under the impression that PR122 is very consistent commercially – I looked at a bunch of pigment suppliers and few articles on crystal states (PR122 has a few known ones), but nothing indicating that a novel, bluer PR122 is available. PV23 would seemingly be too blue in a tint on its own. PV55 is another quinacridone pigment that’s bluish enough in a white tint (actually too blue for wisteria) – kinda surprised they didn’t name/release that combo :evil:. Interestingly enough, PV55 is a “solid solution” aka mixed crystal phase of PR122 & PR202 — and is bluer than both. Apparently, the color of mixed-phase quinacridones (and there are others than PV55) isn’t necessarily a blend of the parent colors! Does Daniel Smith have in-house chemists?
Jen
January 25, 2017 at 8:16 pm #1263829I don’t know if Daniel Smith has in-house chemists, but I do know that they have always been willing to explore new territory with their colors more like some of the European companies than more-traditional American companies.
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:::: Painting Blog with an article now and thenJanuary 29, 2017 at 1:48 pm #1263831New single pigment invention and discovery is extremely rare event. Just like an explosion of supernova star! Ones for hundred of years.. The last “supernova” paint was Pyrrole Red. But at the same time we lost ten existing pigments like PY153; PG10; PO49; PR86; Thio Black e.t.c
There’s still a few sources for PY153 and PO49 right?
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