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Old 02-12-2018, 04:30 PM
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[quote=Harold Roth]I wouldn't. They are just going to say no. And IME, landlords of studio spaces could not care less about the artists' safety.

You have a right to protect yourself. You're not a corporation who has to worry about being sued or whatnot for having a webcam in your studio. So don't worry about that part...

I do not know the privacy laws regarding a camera in your own space. However, if you have open studios, adjacent artists within the range of your camera and possible audio surveillance, may object if their spaces are being monitored without their knowledge or consent. In today's litigious society, everybody is susceptible to a lawsuit.
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:59 PM
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Maybe the simplest explanation is the answer. Perhaps there was no malice involved and the artist who shares your space or a guest was clowning around and accidentally punctured the canvas, but is afraid to fess up.
Regardless, if you feel unsafe, you need to address that concern.

I've found that being passive can invite further abuse; I'd definitely let it be know that I was aware of the damage.
If it was me, I'd unaccusingly (I suppose people could take offense, but I think there is a difference between asking and accusing) ask everyone with access to my space if they had "accidentally" damaged the canvas. I'd say I wasn't mad, it could me fixed, but I just wanted to know if I should "take steps to protect my work from accidents when I wasn't there." If nobody admitted blame, I'd ask the landlord for a new space when it comes available, preferably one I didn't have to share. Until then, I'd do what I could to protect my work when I wasn't there (maybe with a knocked-together crate or a lockable cabinet, depending on canvas size) and otherwise carry on as normal.
But, If I was being stalked or kinda stalked by anyone, or if I shared a space with an unpredictable person, I'd get myself out of those situations fast. Personal safety is paramount. Affordable space aside, you won't be able to paint at all if you come to harm.

Good luck with whatever you do.
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The legal speak about all this is absurd...I'm in an artist building and many of us have surveillance systems myself included. Police have asked us for footage in a few cases. It's not so much as it being a dangerous location, but many of us like to know if there's a lot of foot traffic, if employees or studio sitters are there, etc. In fact, in today's society, you can be scolded by your landlord or police for not having one, as in it's your responsibility to. When you lease a space, it becomes PRIVATE PROPERTY and you are always allowed to video on your own private property. Wake up people.
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As long as the cam isn't a "hidden" cam situation - like bathroom or private area..
Even a laptop, table or phone set up on a table or shelf.. with the cam active while you are there, I don't see how that can be a legal issue..
Plenty of people use recorded video as evidence for TV court shows..
Rarely does the judge say that was illegally recorded..
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Maybe it is a sign of my age. If I had a shared studio and knew my every move was being recorded by another artist without my consent (regardless of the legality) I would pack up and move to a private space. Life is too short for that kind of oppression. 1984
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The legal speak about all this is absurd...I'm in an artist building and many of us have surveillance systems myself included. Police have asked us for footage in a few cases. It's not so much as it being a dangerous location, but many of us like to know if there's a lot of foot traffic, if employees or studio sitters are there, etc. In fact, in today's society, you can be scolded by your landlord or police for not having one, as in it's your responsibility to. When you lease a space, it becomes PRIVATE PROPERTY and you are always allowed to video on your own private property. Wake up people.

It's a bit more tricky and depands a lot on the law you need to follow and I really would think twice about "legal advice" from police because a judge may see it different.

I can speak only for my location but the rules here would be, you can use a camera in your own property if the camera dosen't capture "public" footage like a street or "private" footage like the neighbouring property. So filming the entrance hall would not be allowed, however if you capture the entry area behind your door in your room this would be ok.

So what in case you have a cleaner that is working in your building, you would need to ask them and the need to agree, in case a camera would capture them. However as an example if you are missing items and would install then a hidden camera in your own property for a short time, it would considered ok.

This is something I really would ask a lawyer for, because if you are breaking the law evem with something that would consider some uf us a minor case, a lawsuite can cost you quite a bit of money. There are even judgements here against useing a dummy camera so I would not trust any "private" advice I read somewhere, this would be way to important.....

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In the US, you have the right to surveille intruders without their consent. If you have a business, you are legally allowed to have a hidden camera in the place and to record without the public's consent. You are not legally required to notify people of a hidden camera in your place of business. A studio is a place of business. Stop making the OP more afraid. It's not helpful.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:02 AM
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In the US, you have the right to surveille intruders without their consent. If you have a business, you are legally allowed to have a hidden camera in the place and to record without the public's consent. You are not legally required to notify people of a hidden camera in your place of business. A studio is a place of business. Stop making the OP more afraid. It's not helpful.
What is not helpful is not understanding the law. You can protect the interior of your own private property with surveillance but your camera cannot secretly survey someone else's private property without their permission.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:16 PM
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There is no someone else's private property here. You are allowed to secretly surveille your place of business, which this is. Doesn't matter if it is rented or not. Although actually, it would be better to have the webcam in plain sight, because its presence alone would deter jerks.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:41 PM
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There is no someone else's private property here. You are allowed to secretly surveille your place of business, which this is. Doesn't matter if it is rented or not. Although actually, it would be better to have the webcam in plain sight, because its presence alone would deter jerks.

Not so in all states.

Best advise, speak to a lawyer before taking anything said on these boards to heart from anyone, including me!
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I have to agree with Harold -- 'breaking the law"?

Phooey -- I would use the camera to see if anyone is coming in. If they were, I would be sure to find another space. Find out if it's legal AFTER you know if there is an intruder. Then you decide whether to use the information you gathered. Nobody has to know about the camera unless you tell them. Your safety is more important in this case. At the moment it's a slight suspicion.

On the other hand, I'd start looking anyway, try to rent a space with somebody you know well.
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It does sound like sabotage.

Someone once said that jealousy is behind most things and I believe that to be the truth.

Jealousy is such a toxic emotion and I think probably more common than people think.

I do think that sometimes people can feel jealous of your success and this jealousy gradually turns into hatred. I have experienced jealousy in the past and currently as well and it is not pleasant.

I also think that you should look for another place if you have any more problems.
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There was this guy - Rudy - he was a little on the nervous chain smoker side, a bit odd looking but kept to himself. I didn't know him that well, but he was obviously down on his luck. He'd lost his low paying job and was moving out of town - so I invited him over for dinner - just because. It was a bit awkward, but he was gracious and for reasons I can't explain wanted him to start his new journey on a positive note.

The next morning my wallet was missing. I destroyed the house in a rage-fueled quest to find it. GONE. I'd let my guard down and this xxx took advantage. I thought I was a good judge of character - never again. Rudy where ever you are rot in hell! Then a week later I found my wallet -with the money, buried deep in the side of the couch. I'd spent a week of my life filled with hate and vile over -- nothing. That was the my "Rudy moment". My awakening. I will never go to that place again.

You found a pinhole in your canvas. A pinhole. Don't let that destroy you. Don't become a paranoid angry -- person-- over an anonymous pinhole.

Oh, and Rudy wherever you are, I love you man!
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There was this guy - Rudy - he was a little on the nervous chain smoker side, a bit odd looking but kept to himself. I didn't know him that well, but he was obviously down on his luck. He'd lost his low paying job and was moving out of town - so I invited him over for dinner - just because. It was a bit awkward, but he was gracious and for reasons I can't explain wanted him to start his new journey on a positive note.

The next morning my wallet was missing. I destroyed the house in a rage-fueled quest to find it. GONE. I'd let my guard down and this xxx took advantage. I thought I was a good judge of character - never again. Rudy where ever you are rot in hell! Then a week later I found my wallet -with the money, buried deep in the side of the couch. I'd spent a week of my life filled with hate and vile over -- nothing. That was the my "Rudy moment". My awakening. I will never go to that place again.

You found a pinhole in your canvas. A pinhole. Don't let that destroy you. Don't become a paranoid angry -- person-- over an anonymous pinhole.

Oh, and Rudy wherever you are, I love you man!

Excellent advice and a great story!
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