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November 6, 2018 at 8:50 am #464433
[also posted in casein/gouache/egg tempera forum]
I’ve gotten interested in trying out gouache. With a recent post about using gouache in watercolor, I thought I’d narrow the question a bit.
I’m looking for suggestions on whether to start with a pan set or tubes. I know some folks like the Caran D’Ache pan sets. But, I am also interested in the pros / cons of pan versus tubes from those who have more experience than I. If tubes are recommended, what are the preferences (and why)?
Thank you for your input! I look forward to some good reads!
FrankFrankM
November 6, 2018 at 9:42 am #724174Frank, I just bought some davinci gouache, I bought before I researched , If I had to do over,(well I guess I can anyway), I would buy the ones that Jan recommended the day after I bought mine , I think they were the DS and dont use the chalk filler they are just heavy pigment,,,Im speaking from memory so you need to check that ,but I think that would be the way to go,,also to your question several people recomend ed for Gouache to get the tubes ,,,my davinci do rewet but not very instanly ,I have to work them
Kaylen Savoie
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At least twice a year,paint something better than you ever painted before.November 6, 2018 at 11:42 am #724164I would start with tubes but for sketching I suggest you try the Caran d’Ache pan set they rewet really easily. If you have been used to painting with transparent watercolours then there is a learning process, opaque gouache are a completely different technique and take a little getting used to.
Doug
We must leave our mark on this worldNovember 6, 2018 at 12:47 pm #724173[also posted in casein/gouache/egg tempera forum]
I’ve gotten interested in trying out gouache. With a recent post about using gouache in watercolor, I thought I’d narrow the question a bit.
I’m looking for suggestions on whether to start with a pan set or tubes. I know some folks like the Caran D’Ache pan sets. But, I am also interested in the pros / cons of pan versus tubes from those who have more experience than I. If tubes are recommended, what are the preferences (and why)?
Thank you for your input! I look forward to some good reads!
FrankHi Frank, I’m assuming you are referring to my question. In my gouache adventure so far I’ve found that M Graham gouache is my favorite as the honey keeps it from cracking. The other brands do crack and fall out of the wells as others have said, but can be reconstituted with water similarly to watercolor. I haven’t tried the caran d’ache set. Hope that helps!
November 6, 2018 at 12:56 pm #724166…I would buy the ones that Jan recommended the day after I bought mine , I think they were the DS and dont use the chalk filler they are just heavy pigment,…
Daniel Smith does not make a gouache product. If they did, I would buy it.
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blog.jlk.netNovember 6, 2018 at 1:43 pm #724167I like M. Graham. There’s a great Facebook page for gouache artists. They don’t discuss products or technique as much as on Wet Canvs, but you can see the possibilities.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1920590418264202/
Jan
November 6, 2018 at 4:27 pm #724175I miss remembered It it was M-Grahm,
Kaylen Savoie
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At least twice a year,paint something better than you ever painted before.November 6, 2018 at 4:32 pm #724178Frank, I just bought some davinci gouache, I bought before I researched , If I had to do over,(well I guess I can anyway), I would buy the ones that Jan recommended the day after I bought mine , I think they were the DS and dont use the chalk filler they are just heavy pigment,,,Im speaking from memory
Jane showcased Da Vinci, M Graham, and Schmincke primarily as the pigment-heavy types (along with some Art Spectrum and the older version of W&N).
https://janeblundellart.blogspot.com/2018/10/gouache.html
(assuming this is her post you’re referring to)
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Root, Bone, Sticks & StoneNovember 6, 2018 at 6:24 pm #724176I think I was talking about Jan Janico ,I think she said on the other thread that she uses MG but I was not sure I remembered right
Kaylen Savoie
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At least twice a year,paint something better than you ever painted before.November 17, 2018 at 4:48 am #724168One way to start is to simply buy a tube of M. Graham Zinc White gouache and mix it with your watercolors. I quite like the technique of using transparent watercolors for the darks and creating more opaque mixtures for the lights. My second recommendation is a limited palette of M. Graham gouache. I’m personally quite fond of Zinc or Titanium White, Yellow Ochre, Cadmium Red Light and Prussian Blue; but the are many other nice choices like the primary palette (whether it be based on RGB or CMY(K); often with Burnt Sienna added for convenience), the “Zorn” palette (Zinc/Titanium White, Yellow Ochre, Cadmium Red Light, Lamp/Ivory Black) or the “Velàzquez” palette (Yellow Ochre, Burnt Sienna (or another Red Earth) and Ultramarine).
November 17, 2018 at 10:25 pm #724169Saw a couple of landscape demonstrations on the internet in which the painters mixed in a bit of white into the colors the farther back into the background they were painting. Gave a bit of a misty effect. This was zinc white or titanium white (PW4 or PW6) watercolor paint, not white gouache. But the two are, really, almost identical, and can be used to very similar effect.
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Certified Closet Management Engineer, Slung Watercolor Society of AmericaNovember 22, 2018 at 5:38 pm #724182This was zinc white or titanium white (PW4 or PW6) watercolor paint, not white gouache. But the two are, really, almost identical, and can be used to very similar effect.
As far as I know, there is not really white watercolor, because the white is usually the paper background. Transparent white means no color at all. White watercolor is in fact gouache, that is more or less opaque.
Emmanuel
C&C welcomeNovember 23, 2018 at 12:53 am #724177I’ve been looking into the differences between gouache and watercolour as I’ve been wanting the freedom to paint dark to light. It seems like you have a few of options in this regard:
1. You can simply mix your existing watercolours with white and black gouache (or just white). The advantages to this approach are that you save money if you already have a set of watercolours and there is a far greater selection of pigments available as watercolours than gouache. Watercolours also rewet more easily than gouache. A couple of extremely talented concept artists utilize this approach and their work is amazing. Nathan Fowkes and Erik Tiemens are two examples of such artists. Many of the old watercolour masters (Turner, Sargent, Wyeth) used white quite liberally and their paintings speak for themselves.
2. You can buy some gouache and use them in tandem with your watercolours. James Gurney is amazing artist that uses gouache and watercolour and based on his blog, he combines them freely as needed.
3. You can buy a set of gouache and replace your watercolours entirely. If you purchase a set with little to no added chalk/white, it can double (to an extent) as watercolour. Winsor Newton, Schmincke, and M Graham are examples of artist grade gouache that rely on pigment load instead of added white for increased opacity. However, in my experience, there are certain pigments that will remain transperent-semi-transparent until you mix them with white (pthalo’s, quinacridone’s etc.) So, in that sense, there isn’t a great deal of difference between artist grade gouache and watercolour. In fact, M Graham even states that they’ve formulated their gouache to allow the artist to determine the level of desired opacity. Sooo…why would I need your gouache if I have your watercolours…
Anyway, here are some useful links if you’re interested:
Nathan Fowkes:
http://nathanfowkes-sketch.blogspot.com/Erik Tiemens:
http://virtualgouacheland.blogspot.com/James Gurney:
http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/
http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2016/07/gouache-materials-list.htmlReview of M Graham gouache:
https://www.sadiesavestheday.com/blog/2016/9/1/art-supply-review-m-graham-artists-gouacheArtist John Lovett on combining watercolour and gouache:
https://www.johnlovett.com/gouache-and-watercolor
November 23, 2018 at 10:26 am #724179Gouache tubes are usually more vibrant and opaque, which covers better than the pans.
Schmincke, Sennelier and Pebeo(Yes I know Pebeo isn’t a well-reputed brand but their gouache and acrylics are quite worth to try) provide student grade gouache and I think they are quite adequate in normal practice.November 23, 2018 at 1:50 pm #724171Oh oh oh I have to recommend this set that I just stumbled upon!
You get 18 colors of 30ml jelly cup (twice the amount of the average tube) in a very sturdy plastic case. The paints are wonderful! I used M. Graham gouache before, and these are definitely comparable. Super pigmented and opaque paint, really creamy, feel thicker than your average watercolor and closer to acrylic, I imagine with this consistency it would lend itself well to various medium. All for the grand price of $18 USD. I can’t recommend this set enough! I think I am sticking with this set from now on. Just wish there are more colors since I am lazy.
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