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Old 08-06-2019, 09:54 AM
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Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Hi all -

Here is my painting, along with the reference picture. My goal is to portray the glow of the sunrise - I tried to get the foreground dark enough to contrast with the sun area. I couldn't get the yellow rims around the clouds to stand out, so at the end added some Winsor yellow to white gouache, painted the rims. Do you think this helps? I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks so much.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

I have used a rim of masking fluid on clouds to preserve the light edge.

This class thread might be of help.

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Old 08-06-2019, 11:30 AM
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

well, that works... and it look really nice.

but I think the main reason you have such a hard time getting the light to stand out is because the clouds in your painting is too light.. the cloud near the rim of light are actually the same value as the darkest part of the sky and it also a blueish-purple in hue.. so it contrast better than the red-orange cloud in your painting...

if you are still unhappy, I suggest start over and this time make the cloud, sky and the land darker.. add some burnt umber or magenta to darken the ultramarine slightly since pure ultramarine is too light of a value..
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Thanks, Yorky, for your idea about using masking fluid to preserve the edge -> great idea! And the linked page helps, too.



And thanks, too, Calvin, for your insights about the values being incorrect. I have really struggled with this painting, and starting over is fine. I just needed some wisdom on how to proceed. I really appreciate both of your help.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

All in all you did a great job , I do think some darkening would help,,, the top of the land for example,and the top of the sky, I'm kinda torn to suggest this as your painting stands on its own very nicely
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Agree with the others about the clouds needing to be darker. I would also focus on the intensity of the color and the way the color changes fron orange to red and then purple.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Thanks, Kaylen and Viuhti for your comments. I can definitely see how darker values in the land, clouds, and sky would help. And yes, I saw (in the photo) how the color changes from orange to red, then purple. Lots to consider on this one. Y’all have helped steer me in a better direction, thanks so much.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

The comments on the values are correct. Nonetheless, the land mass and the topmost clouds in the painting show a variation in colors which I find compelling and more esthetic than the photo. Your painting is better than the photo and I would leave alone. Of course, it is your painting and your choice.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Thanks, Karl for your compliment on my painting. I have learned a lot on this one, and that's the goal (for me).
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

IMO, the painting doesn't have the exact same feel as the photo, but it has its own feel (as others have said), and I think you captured the idea of the light; I knew what you meant even before I looked at the photo, if that makes sense.

I think I would have the urge to lay down that gold across the whole sheet and work from there if I were doing it, but I'm also hopeless with watercolor, so someone else may better know if that's not the way to proceed.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Thanks, Kat for the compliment on capturing the light. The feedback has helped, and I’m going to re-do it. When I painted it originally, I did start with a layer of yellow/gold, hoping that would shine through to give the painting a glow. I plan to do that next time, too.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

I think its an excellent painting as is, but if you want to replicate the photo the above suggestions are great. Still its a nice personal interpretation of the scene.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Value suggestions are excellent, but this is a very beautiful interpretation of the subject. Remember, no one is looking at the reference photo when it is on the wall!
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

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Thanks, Kat for the compliment on capturing the light. The feedback has helped, and I’m going to re-do it. When I painted it originally, I did start with a layer of yellow/gold, hoping that would shine through to give the painting a glow. I plan to do that next time, too.




consider using a wash of lemon yellow as your 1st yellow layer, lemon yellow is the brightest yellow available... just use a light wash of it and it should give your white highlight a yellowish look without looking too standout or unnatural.
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Re: Questions on Sunrise Watercolor

Thanks, all. Yes, Oldie, I want the luminous colors in the photo, so will retry for more luminous colors. And thanks, Joy, for your compliment. You’re so right about nobody’s checking the reference photo – hooray for artistic license!

Calvin 0: Yes, I plan to use Winsor yellow – close to lemon yellow as the underpainting. Thanks!
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