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Old 01-12-2019, 11:31 AM
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Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

Hi all, I have been under the impression that W&N is the only major brand to use a different formula in its tubes vs pans (and that Schmincke is just the best at marketing its use of the same formula across the board).

In Liquid Color just said https://youtu.be/SnbYNJ8jlU0 that Sennelier has a different formula for its tubes and pans.... Is this true?

I thought the whole reason Opera isn't available as a tube was because Sennelier uses the same formula for both pans and tubes and (for whatever reason) the singular formula didn't translate to tube paint.

The Sennelier website http://www.sennelier-colors.com/en/S...rmula_128.html also doesn't indicate employing multiple formulas either.

What's your insight on whether Sennelier uses the same formula for its tubes and pans? Thank you!
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:02 PM
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

You should ask them for the source of their claim -were they told so by Sennelier itself or is it hearsay? Online reviews frequently make unsubstantiated claims which ultimately confuse their viewers/readers. Sennelier pans are extruded which might account for why behave differently from poured pans.
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Old 01-13-2019, 10:07 AM
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

If paint is extruded as a block that will be put into a pan, it necessarily will be different than the more liquid paint in a tube. Maybe the difference is only in the amount of water used. But the pans of paint that I have bought behave differently than the pans I have filled from tube paint. The pan paint seems more firm, even when left to soak with plenty of water on the paint.

Which companies use extruded paint in their pans and which use poured paint? I have bought Winsor & Newton and Old Holland in pans, and they are extruded chunks. I have bought poured paint filled pans from Charvin, and those paints were softer when wet, much like the pans that I fill myself. By softer, I mean the paint soften through more quickly.

I saw an ad for Daniel Smith poured pan paints, but haven't tried them yet. Most of the colors in the sets featuring poured pans are colors I already have as tubes of Daniel Smith paints. Who else sells poured pans?
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:33 PM
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

I find Sennelier tubes to be much better than their pans. Just an impression. I had pans, got tubes and my work improved hugely. The pans are just colour, the tube paints give you substance to work with.

I've been using Sennelier since I started, and I have other brands, and in fact I got Daniel Smith for the Alvaro Castagnet course, but I still prefer Sennelier. They're good paints. The icing on the cake is that they are well distributed in France.

I've mixed Sennelier with DS, Winsor and Holbein on occasion, and never had any problems.

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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

Can't really comment about the pans, but I find many of the tube paints by Sennelier to be MUCH too wet for my preferences. Some are not, some are, makes me wonder whether it's as much a function of the recipe as of the pigment.
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

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Who else sells poured pans?

Schmincke.
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

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Can't really comment about the pans, but I find many of the tube paints by Sennelier to be MUCH too wet for my preferences. Some are not, some are, makes me wonder whether it's as much a function of the recipe as of the pigment.

Some are so liquid that is almost a painting wit ink. Since it is not Sennelier itself who makes it the quality is lower, in my opinion.
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

Who manufactures Sennelier, then? Interesting!

I've never had the Sennelier tubes, only pans, which I really like. My tubes are DS and American Journey (Davinci).
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

I believe Sennelier tube paints contain honey to keep the paints moist because the honey will suck out water from the open air. Similar to the M.Graham watercolor tubes. But a common problem when you pour these honey infused tube colors is that if it is hot or humid, the paints can run everywhere in your palette and will never dry.

I don't know if the pigment or binder ratio would be different between the tube vs pan colors, but at least the extruded pans probably won't have much honey in them if at all...
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

My Aqua Mini pan set has a bee on it so it should contain some honey.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:30 AM
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Re: Sennelier -- does formula differ for tubes vs pans?

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I believe Sennelier tube paints contain honey to keep the paints moist because the honey will suck out water from the open air. Similar to the M.Graham watercolor tubes. But a common problem when you pour these honey infused tube colors is that if it is hot or humid, the paints can run everywhere in your palette and will never dry.

I don't know if the pigment or binder ratio would be different between the tube vs pan colors, but at least the extruded pans probably won't have much honey in them if at all...

I consider the paint not firming up in the palette as an asset of tube paint - when you swipe up from the palette with a brush you immediately get pigment. In fact you don't really need to wet the brush, just touching the point to water and then to the paint is usually enough. One can refine on this process by picking up a couple of paints - I tend to mix my greys between cool and warm on each stroke.

When I was using pans, part of the routine was digging paint out of the pans with the brush tip. The pans end up having a hole in the middle, and I found it really hard to get saturated color ...

On the plus side, pans seem to last forever, while tube paint gets used up at a noticeable clip.

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