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Old 09-07-2018, 02:57 PM
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Do you use black?

Hi everyone,
A question I've been meaning to ask for a while: ever since I started taking art classes and learning oil painting, I almost stopped using black in my oil pastel drawings. So I'm wondering- how do you potray black in your paintings? Do you use blacks? Are there some good combinations of colors that you use to get an illusion of black?
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Old 09-07-2018, 08:58 PM
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Re: Do you use black?

I don't use black. For my darks I use my darkest blue, or brown, or both blended into each other. Sometimes I may need a slightly warmer dark, I use a plum and dark brown for that.

Black lays flat. Does not reflect color back. really stands out and comes way too forward (compared to other values around it).. just my two cents.
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Re: Do you use black?

I do use black but I blend it into the op's so it doesn't pop out as a dark spot. The black I use are cp, wax and Dermatograph markers mainly as the black op is rather overpowering.
I'm surprised that you don't use black in your oils, as combining black with other colors gives nice dark shades, eg black and yellow for the dark green.
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Old 09-08-2018, 04:39 AM
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Re: Do you use black?

Thanks Rich and Christel.
Rich- do you have a good dark blue that you use? I'm pretty satisfied with dark browns and I have a dark green that I like, but with blues I haven't found a great one. My best is a Holbein Prussian blue. I would also like to hear about the plum color you use.
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Re: Do you use black?

@Rich: I'm curious to know about the plum color you mentioned, too!

Tali, I also use black, but sparingly, and more as a way to blend as Christel outlines. It all depends on what your subject matter is. I like Prussian blue over a light layer of black for a deep night sky, for example. There is a Senns color called Mars black which has a deep reddish tinge to it that I've picked up before.

I think what gets drilled into our heads is that there are few, if any, real blacks in nature, so we're taught to avoid them or simply blend with them.
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I'm having trouble with getting a chromatic black on my current effort for the September challenge, Tali. I used a warm purple and a light orange to get a brown that I liked, but when I tried to go darker I got some ugly mud colors. I finally combined the purple with an orange-y yellow to get a darker brown, then added Prussian blue to the mix.
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Re: Do you use black?

Here are my darks. First picture are both mungyo gallery soft ops. Dark brown and probably a prussian blue. I don't have the exact number or names of either of these. I take the papers off my mungyos..I know that neopastel will have very similar colors. These two are my darks as far as the mungyos go. Together they make a nice dark blue (looks almost black).

Second picture are my senn darks. I don't know the numbers of these. I'm terrible at documenting that. Right there in the middle is that plum senn. It might be Bordeaux. But when you lay that down on top of green (left) or dark blue (right), you get a nice deep dark value. The plum senn is really creamy too, one of the softest . It lays down and covers well. I like a warm dark sometimes and the plum senn gives me that.

Hope that is helpful, I know the pics maybe hard to see the true color.
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Hi Lamar,
In oil painting I usually use some combination of dark brown, dark blue, permanent rose and a green. It's harder with OPs but it's pretty much the same. You don't necessarily have to use them all.

Rich- I know the senneliers you use. I think I have them as well, and I love the green ( it's a sap green if it is what I think it is). The issue I have with the senneliers is that many dark colors are actually transparent so they're good for toning but don't add much darkness.
My favorites are sepias (senneleir and neopastels), burnt umber, sap green, sometimes I use dark reds such as the Bordeaux. Blues I usually find not dark enough but I use Prussian and indigo. Oh and sometimes I use Payne's gray with is a bit like cheating but I don't care.
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Re: Do you use black?

I do use black, but very sparingly. I prefer to mix blues/red browns/magenta plum to get what I want.
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Hi Lamar,
In oil painting I usually use some combination of dark brown, dark blue, permanent rose and a green. It's harder with OPs but it's pretty much the same. You don't necessarily have to use them all.

Thanks, Tali! Yes, with oil paints I find it easy to get nice darks with blues and browns. And I actually tried a transparent rosy red with viridian on my last oil painting and got a beautiful slightly warm transparent black.

I'll have to work on finding a couple of good darks with my oil pastels
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Re: Do you use black?

I use a ton of black. Holbeins mostly for underpainting and Sennelier for details that I want to be very deep and almost shiny. I also use a lot of Holbein indigo for darks.
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Re: Do you use black?

I also use a tonne of black. Love black, use it all the time, and it's the stick I run out of the quickest. I was always told off for it when I was a child and teenager. "Real artists don't use black, there is no true black in nature, you must mix your own chromatic darks." Pffff, I shall use the colours I wish. I don't paint particularly realistically, though. If I were painting realistic landscapes, for example, I would be unlikely to use it. It just doesn't work for that. But it does work for the narratives and feelings I wish to paint.

My favourite black is the Cray-Pas Specialist, it's so deep and velvety. Gives me such a thrill to use it
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I also use a tonne of black. Love black, use it all the time, and it's the stick I run out of the quickest. I was always told off for it when I was a child and teenager. "Real artists don't use black, there is no true black in nature, you must mix your own chromatic darks." Pffff, I shall use the colours I wish. I don't paint particularly realistically, though. If I were painting realistic landscapes, for example, I would be unlikely to use it. It just doesn't work for that. But it does work for the narratives and feelings I wish to paint.

My favourite black is the Cray-Pas Specialist, it's so deep and velvety. Gives me such a thrill to use it


Sarah, my favorite black is the Cray-Pas Expressionist, and I'm down to a nub which makes me nervous! I can rub the end over some paper and get a nice sharp edge, which I can roll over any surface for a thin, crisp line. Never bleeds. My favorite black! Thank goodness for open stock with Cray-Pas.
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For those who like black, FWIW, I've read that traditional Chinese ink painters say that black contains all colors, and some purists insist on using only black inks, relying on dilution for "color."
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